enginerd Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) Watched the NASCAR races this weekend and can't overstate how impressed I am with the strength of those splitters. Are they integral to the frame or something? They were plowing tons of turf with no ill effects. Edited July 7, 2021 by enginerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mender Posted July 7, 2021 Report Share Posted July 7, 2021 And when they hit the wall and tuck under they hold the front wheels up in the air. Very strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) Was wondering if anyone here would notice how well they peeled sod without ripping off the car. I also noticed the corner speeds were not much different than a champcar with aero. Edited July 8, 2021 by Bandit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted July 9, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 12:16 AM, Bandit said: Was wondering if anyone here would notice how well they peeled sod without ripping off the car. They are definitely building them stronger than they used to. Now it's like a plow up front. As @mender said, I've seen a few cars that have done what he described. As a side note regarding Nascar - I was 1 of it's biggest cheerleaders a few years back, but find the races are getting more and more painful to watch. It's almost as if you're watching a talk show with a slew of commercials. Lately, it's unusual to see 5-10 laps of actual racing without a competition caution, a scheduled 10 minute break twice a race (stages), or the mysterious debris cautions to tighten up the field every few laps. All those stoppages, along with the pits being open or not open at certain times - idk, someone has developed a pretty elaborate game that has me losing interest more and more each year. Going to MIS to see Indy cars once a year and Nascar twice a year was always a summer highlight. Indycar no longer comes to MIS and we lost 1 of the nascar races to the "new markets" they are exploring. Great track seeing little use - it sucks. This was always something the women in our family enjoyed too. Even my wife, a die hard fan, is just about done watching. At least they put some more road courses on the schedule since I enjoy those, but my wife hates them.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 I noted a couple things they really need to change in how they run at RA. The last "stage" could be completed on one tank of fuel so threw strategy out the window. Just 5 more laps would have made things more interesting. And, we all know how good RA's track crew is but you'd never know it from a Nascar race. The interminable cautions for a car with a broken trans or one in the kitty litter is ridiculous. On a 4 mile track they need to; 1-Speed up the pace car 2-Let everyone pit at the same time 3-Open pits sooner instead of running a lap of caution 4-Local yellows/hot pulls work for amateurs but not pros? With the Indycars the pace car is lapping at about a Champcar's pace. Nascar? Around 35mph it seemed. The biggest complaint I heard from others was how long the cautions lasted. Otherwise it was a pretty decent race. Very curious to see how the next gen cars do next year as they are actually designed to be road race cars. btw-Elliot was going around the carousel at 90 mph. Have seen a few Champcars do that or very close to it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted July 9, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Agree with all you said Bandit. Yes it was painful to watch all those slow full course cautions when we know how a real race is run at Road America. We may be amateurs, but at least this stuff is for real. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 58 minutes ago, mcoppola said: Agree with all you said Bandit. Yes it was painful to watch all those slow full course cautions when we know how a real race is run at Road America. We may be amateurs, but at least this stuff is for real. Guys with gas hogs pray for a full course caution at RA. Almost always denied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee mcoppola Posted July 9, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 @Bandit hey I meant to ask - how were you getting speeds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, mcoppola said: @Bandit hey I meant to ask - how were you getting speeds? Telemetry. They don't show it enough but do occasionally. I was seeing 89-90 for Elliot through the carousel and recall 84-86 for Logano off the top of my head. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 22 hours ago, Bandit said: Telemetry. They don't show it enough but do occasionally. I was seeing 89-90 for Elliot through the carousel and recall 84-86 for Logano off the top of my head. That's awesome! Depending on accuracy of our GPS speedo, we sustain 80-84mph through the carousel with no aero. I bet partsbadger is over 90mph through there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted July 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 @Bandit @mcoppola I really hate the yellow rules for NASCAR and Indy. The races become a parade.... every yellow is a full course yellow, and every FCY, no matter how quickly it is cleared, is a 10 minute affair because they have to close the pits, then group everyone up, then open the pits, then group up, and restart. It's idiotic. This is one place where formula 1 does it right, pits are only ever closed if the wreck / stalled car is in the pit lane or pit entry / exit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, enginerd said: That's awesome! Depending on accuracy of our GPS speedo, we sustain 80-84mph through the carousel with no aero. I bet partsbadger is over 90mph through there. 3200 lbs, without driver or fuel and wide racing slicks versus 2100(?) and sticky street tires. Shows the negative effects of weight. They may appear simple but those suspensions are very scienced out for what they are. They had the "low downforce" package on them so they didn't have a lot but with the millions in aero spent on them there was some. Bowman's tire rubbing only on the straights showed that, even with the tiny little spoiler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy G. Elliott Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 On 7/9/2021 at 2:51 PM, Bandit said: I noted a couple things they really need to change in how they run at RA. The last "stage" could be completed on one tank of fuel so threw strategy out the window. Just 5 more laps would have made things more interesting. And, we all know how good RA's track crew is but you'd never know it from a Nascar race. The interminable cautions for a car with a broken trans or one in the kitty litter is ridiculous. On a 4 mile track they need to; 1-Speed up the pace car 2-Let everyone pit at the same time 3-Open pits sooner instead of running a lap of caution 4-Local yellows/hot pulls work for amateurs but not pros? With the Indycars the pace car is lapping at about a Champcar's pace. Nascar? Around 35mph it seemed. The biggest complaint I heard from others was how long the cautions lasted. Otherwise it was a pretty decent race. Very curious to see how the next gen cars do next year as they are actually designed to be road race cars. btw-Elliot was going around the carousel at 90 mph. Have seen a few Champcars do that or very close to it. Even with the GTI running poorly we were over 80 at the the exit of the carousel. Best was 85 . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremsen Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 On 7/10/2021 at 5:36 PM, Bandit said: 3200 lbs, without driver or fuel and wide racing slicks versus 2100(?) and sticky street tires. Shows the negative effects of weight. 3400, w/o driver I think is still the current min, but exactly. I'm not surprised the corner speeds are so close. People don't seem to grasp just how narrow a cup car's tires are (currently) for its weight. As usual, a DoT reference for everything NASCAR, lol. The format and cautions aside, the current cars are just painful to watch going through corners. You don't really see it on the ovals, but its glaring on the road courses. They look like they drive like a 50s pickup. The new car is really going to make the show a lot better, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bremsen said: People don't seem to grasp just how narrow a cup car's tires are (currently) for its weight. They are considered wide around here. But yes, they are definitely small for the weight of the cars. And the horsepower. Around the equivalent of a 305 width iirc. Under tired compared to most of the CC field when 245's are common on 2000lb Miata's. At 3400lbs, with driver, minimum weight one would be looking at close to a 16" (415mm) wide tire for equal width per pound. The next car will be interesting as it's pretty similar to an Aussie V8 Supercar. I'd rather see them go really old school more like 1970 Scca Trans Am on bias plies. The Aussies run them as well and it's awesome. Touring Car Masters racing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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