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Hi,

 

Got a new trapezoid style window net to make the tech guy happy, problem is that it covers the side mirror. 

  

Anyone figured out a nice way around it? Cutting a peak hole in the window net seems like a bad idea. 

 

Never really seen any aftermarket side mirrors on CC cars, don't you guys use the side mirrors?

 

Would aftermarket side mirror be points? (I wouldn't think so but a fender flare is so...)

 

 

 

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I have an issue with the poorly conceived and completely arbitrary attempt by Tech (and you know who) to try and implement this while trying to gaslight members who called this out for what it was...rule change in the middle of the season. And on that note, it would be good for Tech to understand the definition of a "vertical plane" before trying to enforce it. 

Not only does this poorly conceived and completely ridiculous requirement block a usable side view mirror, it closes off the window opening. You can't cut a "peek hole" it the net...it'll compromise the "SFI rating". Side mirrors are not points. We run the bar-mounted convex mirrors and love them. 

FWIW...the net apparently needs to go to the steering wheel (now, anyway). 

 

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I will look into the bar mounted mirrors! Thanks!

 

They make carbon fiber aero optimized side mirrors that according to the manufacturer "shave of tenths". Maybe get a 3-4 of those to reduce my lap time :)

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8 minutes ago, turbogrill said:

I will look into the bar mounted mirrors! Thanks!

 

They make carbon fiber aero optimized side mirrors that according to the manufacturer "shave of tenths". Maybe get a 3-4 of those to reduce my lap time :)

We never had the side mirrors, to start with, seemed areo mod to not have them or outside door handles, we do have a

large wink that none of us us have complained about, side view is plenty with it for us all.

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11 hours ago, Snorman said:

I have an issue with the poorly conceived and completely arbitrary attempt by Tech (and you know who) to try and implement this while trying to gaslight members who called this out for what it was...rule change in the middle of the season. And on that note, it would be good for Tech to understand the definition of a "vertical plane" before trying to enforce it. 

Not only does this poorly conceived and completely ridiculous requirement block a usable side view mirror, it closes off the window opening. You can't cut a "peek hole" it the net...it'll compromise the "SFI rating". Side mirrors are not points. We run the bar-mounted convex mirrors and love them. 

FWIW...the net apparently needs to go to the steering wheel (now, anyway). 

 

 

Well, technically this rule was invented at the first race of the season, so it’s not exactly a mid-season rule change, but your point is a good one.

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24 minutes ago, mhr650 said:

 

Well, technically this rule was invented at the first race of the season, so it’s not exactly a mid-season rule change, but your point is a good one.

Correct, it was at the beginning of the year. And the snarky response from Bill was that if people didn't like it, they should submit midseason petition to have it changed. When in reality, there was no change to the language in the BCCR. 

 

There was a decent thread about this (started by me) when via FB posts and comments, it became clear that somebody changed the window net rules without telling anybody. And from a face-to-face discussion I had with a BOD member at Daytona, apparently the BOD, TAC and CEO had had no idea this was done. Then at Daytona, Tech started being very liberal and helpful about the "new" window net rule, giving waivers and noting log books. This isn't the way it's supposed to happen...a couple of people arbitrarily deciding the change the rules, then telling people on FB how to comply with a new interpretation. 

 

 

 

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This is kind of intriguing.  The net that had been in my car for the past 5 years of Chaump and the previous 10+ with other orgs did have a bit of a gap at the vent window.  So I added some lexan to help cover it.  The quote at VIR tech to describe it was "garbage" and "not what we want".  But rather than whip out the rule book and ask them how to interpret what is written there, I got them to let me race but change it for the next event. 

 

Fast forward next event and I asked what was driving the issue.  Basically, faster cars, bigger/badder crashes, trying to stay out in front of the problem before someone gets hurt.  This makes good sense.  The other comment was that there is some new language coming.

 

I agree that the current tech request keeps you from seeing well out of the mirror, can't give point by's or pit in signals.  My personal opinion is that point by's prevent crashes, so their importance to safety needs to be considered when looking at other rules.

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6 minutes ago, MMiskoe said:

 But rather than whip out the rule book and ask them how to interpret what is written there, I got them to let me race but change it for the next event. 

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The other comment was that there is some new language coming.

The BCCR is supposed to be what dictates the rules in the series, not arbitrary and unwritten opinions. 

Nothing should change with the window net rule until it's formalized in the BCCR and approved by the BOD as a change. 

 

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34 minutes ago, Gkuhn41 said:

We use the same net we always have and added plexi glass to cover the remaining area. our mirror never changed positions. and we can see out just fine.

 

 

This what we did.  Had some leftover lexan from making rear quarter windows, so I cut a triangle and screwed it to the door.  Can see the mirror fine.

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57 minutes ago, Ian said:

 

 

This what we did.  Had some leftover lexan from making rear quarter windows, so I cut a triangle and screwed it to the door.  Can see the mirror fine.

 

That is more clever!

 

Who wants to buy my over priced $80 window net I just bought?

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7 hours ago, MMiskoe said:

Fast forward next event and I asked what was driving the issue.  Basically, faster cars, bigger/badder crashes, trying to stay out in front of the problem before someone gets hurt.  

 

 

Huh? Where have these bigger badder crashes happened?

 

I was at another series event the other weekend. Every single car there was prepped better than 99% of champ cars. And 80% are significantly faster than champcars. And every single car wouldn’t have passed champcars rule. 
 

I don’t follow the logic. 

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I'm just reporting what my experience has been lately.  Not commenting on if it was right/wrong, logical, etc.  Just reiterating what was said and heard.

 

I did comment at the time that I've been doing this for 25 years and only seen one hand injury and that was an instructor riding in a car with no net and the window all the way down. 

 

Another comment of mine was that regardless of what the requirement is, having it change when you're in tech line is NOT the way to do things.

 

 

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2 hours ago, MMiskoe said:

Another comment of mine was that regardless of what the requirement is, having it change when you're in tech line is NOT the way to do things.

It was better than that. It was being changed via Facebook posts. We were being gaslighted into thinking "it's always been this way", when in fact, it 100% was not. 

 

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On 8/30/2021 at 12:38 PM, Ian said:

 

 

This what we did.  Had some leftover lexan from making rear quarter windows, so I cut a triangle and screwed it to the door.  Can see the mirror fine.

 

You will see the mirror fine until you race in the rain and it blinds over from water, mist, fog, grime.  I don't like the idea, especially having had to rip off the lexan covering that area in the middle of a race 4 years ago at AMP so we could see.  Have not put it back since.  I did buy a new net this year for about $30 that comes past the steering wheel, seemed kind of silly but it's there now and makes everybody happy I guess.

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26 minutes ago, Rodger Coan-Burningham said:

 

You will see the mirror fine until you race in the rain and it blinds over from water, mist, fog, grime.  I don't like the idea, especially having had to rip off the lexan covering that area in the middle of a race 4 years ago at AMP so we could see.  Have not put it back since.  I did buy a new net this year for about $30 that comes past the steering wheel, seemed kind of silly but it's there now and makes everybody happy I guess.

 

Maybe true.  Our rearview mirror is basically in line with the steering wheel, so the only way to cover the whole area per the new "rule" would block the mirror entirely.  Not to mention forcing us to replace the trapezoid net (which isn't trapezoid enough) I had literally bought 6 months before the new "rule" was instituted.  We'll use the lexan as a bandaid to satisfy tech until our net expires, then we will decide on a path foreword.

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