Administrators Bill Strong Posted October 26, 2021 Administrators Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 These VPI numbers go into effect January 1, 2022. These VPI numbers go into effect January 1, 2022. These VPI numbers go into effect January 1, 2022. This data will be updated into the system on Jan 1, 2022. VPI are your points. SPV is the weight used for swaps. The vast majority of you don't need to worry about the SPV 2022_VPI-SPV_Changes.pdf 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankrehnelt Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 When do these go into effect? sorry, I couldn’t stop myself 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted October 26, 2021 Author Administrators Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 there were two typos that were not caught in the editing room. Fixes : The E9X is 550 points and the MX3 spelled correctly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleric Sanders Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: there were two typos that were not caught in the editing room. Fixes : The E9X is 550 points and the MX3 spelled correctly Damn... At 500pts for an E90, you had me real close to being in the market for a new daily... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jWashburn Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) So are all N52B30 engines being recognized as the same for the E90, E91, E92, E93 3 series, allowing for updates and backdates to a 10.7:1 compression ratio and 3 stage intake? Ideally the 325i / 328i variants should have a 25 point allowance for inferior intake and/or compression ratio. 2006 330i - N52B30 with 3 stage intake 10.7:1 2006 325i - N52B30 with 1 stage intake 10.7:1 2007-2013 328i - N52B30KP with 1 stage intake 10.7:1 2007-2013 328i SULEVII - N51B30 with 3 stage intake 10.0:1 Edited October 26, 2021 by jWashburn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean'O'Mullet Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 I am guessing that you are also including El-Caminos in with the G-Body platform, but it was left off the list. That's a huge hit to our team! 50 points? From 175 to 225! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Mean'O'Mullet said: I am guessing that you are also including El-Caminos in with the G-Body platform, but it was left off the list. That's a huge hit to our team! 50 points? From 175 to 225! Elco's are a different wheelbase, much longer, and are not listed so I'd say it stays the same. I put in the VPI request for the 4 cars listed specifically as the Elco/Caballero, along with the Malibu/LeMans, are not the same as those 4 models. Edited October 26, 2021 by Bandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mean'O'Mullet Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 It would be nice to have some clarification as it list "G Bodies" , but then calls out almost everything, but an El Co... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhirche Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Are these the only changes? We were wondering if early BMW Z4s would be added and the answer to our request by Ray Franck was that the 2022 update would include them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, benhirche said: Are these the only changes? We were wondering if early BMW Z4s would be added and the answer to our request by Ray Franck was that the 2022 update would include them. Z4's show in the "VPI additions thread" Quoted from that thread; 2002 -2005 BMW Z4 M54B30 – Add at 530 M54B25 – Add at 475 2006 – 2009 BMW Z4 N52B30 Add at 550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcbhiw Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 Woohoo! 25 more points! Long live the MX3. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted October 26, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, jWashburn said: So are all N52B30 engines being recognized as the same for the E90, E91, E92, E93 3 series, allowing for updates and backdates to a 10.7:1 compression ratio and 3 stage intake? Ideally the 325i / 328i variants should have a 25 point allowance for inferior intake and/or compression ratio. 2006 330i - N52B30 with 3 stage intake 10.7:1 2006 325i - N52B30 with 1 stage intake 10.7:1 2007-2013 328i - N52B30KP with 1 stage intake 10.7:1 2007-2013 328i SULEVII - N51B30 with 3 stage intake 10.0:1 It was discussed but decided to leave things as they were for now. The requestor asked about the differences in the current VPI list (E92 and E90 with different values) and this is now corrected. BMW really fell off the rails with making the same engine with a 53hp spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler_j Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 After recently doing the E90 325i to 330i intake+flash, I can say its the cheapest hp I have ever gotten. Highly recommend it to anyone who has an E90 325 or 328. ~$100 in junkyard parts and a free flash gets you 50hp....Wish I could do this for every car I have haha. I have been eyeing cheap e90 325s for track duty for a year or so now. If only they had a slightly larger fuel capacity, doubtful they could do a 2hr stint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted October 26, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 47 minutes ago, tyler_j said: After recently doing the E90 325i to 330i intake+flash, I can say its the cheapest hp I have ever gotten. Highly recommend it to anyone who has an E90 325 or 328. ~$100 in junkyard parts and a free flash gets you 50hp....Wish I could do this for every car I have haha. I have been eyeing cheap e90 325s for track duty for a year or so now. If only they had a slightly larger fuel capacity, doubtful they could do a 2hr stint. SpecE90 is coming. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, tyler_j said: After recently doing the E90 325i to 330i intake+flash, I can say its the cheapest hp I have ever gotten. Highly recommend it to anyone who has an E90 325 or 328. ~$100 in junkyard parts and a free flash gets you 50hp....Wish I could do this for every car I have haha. I have been eyeing cheap e90 325s for track duty for a year or so now. If only they had a slightly larger fuel capacity, doubtful they could do a 2hr stint. What about swapping these engines into other cars? I thought about it but the electronics scared me away but you mentioned free flash? Has it been hacked or something? My plan for my crapbox datsun was to take the lowest rated 215bhp and pay 25pts and get 268bhp Edited October 26, 2021 by turbogrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyler_j Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, turbogrill said: What about swapping these engines into other cars? I thought about it but the electronics scared me away but you mentioned free flash? Has it been hacked or something? My plan for my crapbox datsun was to take the lowest rated 215bhp and pay 25pts and get 268bhp In my experience with the newer BMWs, most of the software and flashes are out there for free to do whatever you want but none of which are easy to use or laid out very well. The interface requires quite a bit of research and time to figure out exactly what you want to do (at least for me it did). I essentially downloaded an unlock file which allowed the ecu to be flashed and then put a euro 330i engine flash into it. Took me a few weeks of research and all of 15 mins to actually do. That being said I have read quite a few horror stories where people brick their ecus trying to do this, so proceed with caution haha. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atxe30 Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 wait... @Bill Strong when do these go into effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atxe30 Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 1 hour ago, tyler_j said: In my experience with the newer BMWs, most of the software and flashes are out there for free to do whatever you want but none of which are easy to use or laid out very well. The interface requires quite a bit of research and time to figure out exactly what you want to do (at least for me it did). I essentially downloaded an unlock file which allowed the ecu to be flashed and then put a euro 330i engine flash into it. Took me a few weeks of research and all of 15 mins to actually do. That being said I have read quite a few horror stories where people brick their ecus trying to do this, so proceed with caution haha. 2 hours ago, turbogrill said: What about swapping these engines into other cars? I thought about it but the electronics scared me away but you mentioned free flash? Has it been hacked or something? My plan for my crapbox datsun was to take the lowest rated 215bhp and pay 25pts and get 268bhp dude! its a 6 cylinder NA motor. buy an AEM infinity and go to town...who gives a crap about the oem ecu???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Chris Huggins Posted October 26, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, atxe30 said: dude! its a 6 cylinder NA motor. buy an AEM infinity and go to town...who gives a crap about the oem ecu???? Valvetronic! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, atxe30 said: dude! its a 6 cylinder NA motor. buy an AEM infinity and go to town...who gives a crap about the oem ecu???? I was under the impression they didn't support that trigger pattern or something. Edit: I guess you could always fix that with different trigger wheel. But that would change reliability (if I do it ) Edited October 26, 2021 by turbogrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Steve Posted October 26, 2021 Report Share Posted October 26, 2021 May have found a mistake under the 2000-2008 VW Golf/Rabbits 4 CYL. line. Since all 2006-2008 VW Rabbits are Mk5 5CYL. 2.5 engines. There is not a line for the Mk5 2.5 5 CYL Rabbits. The Mk4 Golfs are 4CYL up to 2005 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atxe30 Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, turbogrill said: I was under the impression they didn't support that trigger pattern or something. Edit: I guess you could always fix that with different trigger wheel. But that would change reliability (if I do it ) The Infinity ECU will work with N52/3/4 motors... I had planned to steal the motor out of my daughters x3 3.0si (N52, 200kw version) for a build....so did the homework on this topic...that is actually a good motor and pretty easy to get to 300hp without a lot of craziness in the tune/mods.... Edited October 27, 2021 by atxe30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 The engines didn't seem to be that expensive as well, seems like a great motor. Lightweight! Curious why it's not a common swap, maybe form factor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleric Sanders Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I'm glad the N52 is getting some love. It's a true "under the curve" engine as opposed to peak power. It's wonderful how easy it is to pass on the highway from 2k rpm staying in 6th. Got loads of torque everywhere! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I see a lot of drooling over the tunability and potential of an N52 swap engine.... is this going to be a problem in a couple years? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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