PREVIEW! 2023 Basic Club and Competition Rules (BCCR) Effective V1.0 1/1/2023

[Bill Strong]

PREVIEW! 2023 Basic Club and Competition Rules (BCCR) Effective V1.0 1/1/2023

September 1,2023 release of the 2023 BCCR.

• 2023 Basic Club and Competition Rules (BCCR) Effective V1.0 1/1/2023
• 2023 BCCR Red Line for reference only
• 2023 ChampCar Number and Sponsor Panel Installation Instruction Sheet

[TRM-BobK]

Side window vents, NACA ducts, etc,... have been 'redlined' out.
 

4.7.2 Items that are point free

- air vents to driver 

this is still in the rules.

 

so the side window vents are still legal.  You just removed the conflicting language.

Correct?

Edited September 1, 2022 by TRM-BobK

[hotrod]

Looks to me they removed the dimensions allowed and opened it up. It also opens the option to cool other things. Got rid of the silly 3" holes in the rear window.

[hotrod]

Wowa! There's also a new look to the Forums page!........Bill's been busy!

[turbogrill]

They added the <300 pts class F!

 

My old slow turd would dominated, it started at 150pts with 19 gallons

[LuckyKid]

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9.5.6. OE front and rear crash structures need to remain stock. Teams are not allowed to shorten, remove, or modify frame rails or significant portions of unibody structures outside of the wheelbase. This also includes cars with damaged or compromised OE crash structures. Non-OE replacement crash structures are not an acceptable substitute

 

So does this mean we are banned?

[JDChristianson]

2 minutes ago, LuckyKid said:

 

So does this mean we are banned?

No you are not banned.   You may need to do some work.  

[jakks]

31 minutes ago, hotrod said:

 

45 minutes ago, hotrod said:

It also opens the option to cool other things.

4.7.2 still applies. 
 

Edited September 1, 2022 by jakks

[LuckyKid]

Just now, JDChristianson said:

No you are not banned.   You may need to do some work.  

Like what?  Not sure how I could reasonably un-do what was done.  I'm just surprised there wasn't any warning, sunset or grandfather clause.   

[takjak2]

9 minutes ago, LuckyKid said:

Like what?  Not sure how I could reasonably un-do what was done.  I'm just surprised there wasn't any warning, sunset or grandfather clause.   

 

You have 6 months of warning.

[petawawarace]

14 minutes ago, LuckyKid said:

Like what?  Not sure how I could reasonably un-do what was done.  I'm just surprised there wasn't any warning, sunset or grandfather clause.   

Cut those sections off a car at the scrap yard and weld them back in place.  Same thing as if you had bent them and needed to fix.  I’m sure some thin plates on the outside to join them would be acceptable too. 

[hotrod]

15 minutes ago, LuckyKid said:

Like what?  Not sure how I could reasonably un-do what was done.  I'm just surprised there wasn't any warning, sunset or grandfather clause.   

There was a lot of talk on this in the Forums & the Facebook page. I believe there was also a pole on it. 

You should be able to safely attach a set of stock rails to replace the tubing.

[my_name_wasnt_available]

46 minutes ago, turbogrill said:

They added the <300 pts class F!

 

My old slow turd would dominated, it started at 150pts with 19 gallons

what section covers F class? our old Datsun might qualify. 

[jmabarone]

4 minutes ago, my_name_wasnt_available said:

what section covers F class? our old Datsun might qualify. 

The part where it says <300 points.  

[turbogrill]

21 minutes ago, my_name_wasnt_available said:

what section covers F class? our old Datsun might qualify. 

 

I had a 280zx. Headers+Swaybar+Cut springs+Megasquirt. 200 pts or something, could even fit a cam!

 

So would 1.6 Spec Miatas be class F? They only have shocks right? 40 pts. So 290 PTS.

 

[Wink]

1 minute ago, turbogrill said:

 

I had a 280zx. Headers+Swaybar+Cut springs+Megasquirt. 200 pts or something, could even fit a cam!

 

So would 1.6 Spec Miatas be class F? They only have shocks right? 40 pts. So 290 PTS.

 

Yep, that's what the class was designed for.

 

Entry level cars

[takjak2]

36 minutes ago, turbogrill said:

 

I had a 280zx. Headers+Swaybar+Cut springs+Megasquirt. 200 pts or something, could even fit a cam!

 

So would 1.6 Spec Miatas be class F? They only have shocks right? 40 pts. So 290 PTS.

 

@Wink is incorrect

Spec Miatas have swaybars that will put them over.

Edited September 1, 2022 by takjak2

[veris]

It is really nice to see this posted early. I can say I generally like the rule direction. I do have a few questions. 

 

1. Do the front and rear OE bumper bars need to go back on or is roll bar tubing replacement still acceptable? ie roll bar tubing on the stock unmodified frame rails. 

2. Are cars with roofs removed considered 75% and within 50/50? 

3. What are the impacts on this rule removal for motor swaps? re: 4.5.7. Vehicles must use the highest valued model from its generation (i.e., – E30s would use the M20B25 as the starting point).

[Chris Huggins]

3 minutes ago, veris said:

It is really nice to see this posted early. I can say I generally like the rule direction. I do have a few questions. 

 

1. Do the front and rear OE bumper bars need to go back on or is roll bar tubing replacement still acceptable? ie roll bar tubing on the stock unmodified frame rails. 

2. Are cars with roofs removed considered 75% and within 50/50? 

3. What are the impacts on this rule removal for motor swaps? re: 4.5.7. Vehicles must use the highest valued model from its generation (i.e., – E30s would use the M20B25 as the starting point).

 

1. No, see sec 9.21. BUMPER BARS / BASH BARS

2. Depends on what else is removed - If its only the roof I think that would be clearly >75%

 

 

3. This lets "swap vpi" and "vpi" be totally divorced.  This solidifies the values of some cars that have been in "limbo" - IE the cars with turbo models that have N/A models which haven't been following the old rule.   For 2023 there is no functional change to start - no values have been changed for any teams or cars.

 

In the future a couple of distinct advantages can be achieved.

For example, now we could allow a 1994-2001 acura integra to compete with a swap and not start at the (itr) value of 450.  We can also raise the ITR value to 1000 points or something ridiculous to disincentive using one as a champ car but still allow use of the transmission that many honda teams rely on as a legacy situation.  

[Ronh911]

3 hours ago, LuckyKid said:

 

So does this mean we are banned?

You’re not the only one, it’s been nice while it lasted. 4 more races in the next 2 months then I get to have a huge 944 parts sell-off.

[petawawarace]

As per below, Would it be safe to assume that a tire "rotation" is not covered by this rule?  Your not replacing any tires.  I'm hoping that this was the intent.

 

Separately, what is the penalty for this rule? Most other penalties are defined but this one is not.

 

8.3. PIT STOPS AND TIRE CHANGES

8.3.1. NO TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, OR CREW MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED ON OR OVER THE WALL UNTIL THE CAR HAS COME TO A FULL AND COMPLETE STOP. 2023-V1.0 https://champcar.org 33

8.3.2. The tire change process is in effect any time a team replaces a tire in the “Hot Pit” during a Champcar sanctioned event.

8.3.3. During a tire change process, only battery and/or hand tools are permitted over the pit wall. No Pneumatic tools are permitted.

8.3.4. During a tire change process, only 1 Lug tool (Battery or Hand), 1 Jack, 1 Torque Wrench, and Jack Stand(s) are allowed over the wall.

8.3.5. Tire change process tool restrictions are only applicable to tire changes. These restrictions do not apply for any repairs, adjustments, or changes required to any other vehicle components, which may occur concurrently to tire replacement activities.

 

 

[hotrod]

3 minutes ago, petawawarace said:

As per below, Would it be safe to assume that a tire "rotation" is not covered by this rule?  Your not replacing any tires.  I'm hoping that this was the intent.

 

Separately, what is the penalty for this rule? Most other penalties are defined but this one is not.

 

8.3. PIT STOPS AND TIRE CHANGES

8.3.1. NO TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, OR CREW MEMBERS ARE ALLOWED ON OR OVER THE WALL UNTIL THE CAR HAS COME TO A FULL AND COMPLETE STOP. 2023-V1.0 https://champcar.org 33

8.3.2. The tire change process is in effect any time a team replaces a tire in the “Hot Pit” during a Champcar sanctioned event.

8.3.3. During a tire change process, only battery and/or hand tools are permitted over the pit wall. No Pneumatic tools are permitted.

8.3.4. During a tire change process, only 1 Lug tool (Battery or Hand), 1 Jack, 1 Torque Wrench, and Jack Stand(s) are allowed over the wall.

8.3.5. Tire change process tool restrictions are only applicable to tire changes. These restrictions do not apply for any repairs, adjustments, or changes required to any other vehicle components, which may occur concurrently to tire replacement activities.

 

 

My take would be that this would pertain to all over the wall tire work. It states "Tools" so you should be able to have two battery powered impacts one front and and rear. Why have air impacts for rotating tires if that's what you are looking for? 

[petawawarace]

11 minutes ago, hotrod said:

My take would be that this would pertain to all over the wall tire work. It states "Tools" so you should be able to have two battery powered impacts one front and and rear. Why have air impacts for rotating tires if that's what you are looking for? 

 

It says only 1 lug tool. So can't have 2 battery impacts.  My thought (and what I've done many times before) was 2 jacks and 2 impacts for swapping tires front/rear or side to side.  The intent of this rule was to stop teams from rapidly switching a full set of tires.  But why would we want to hurt teams trying to make a set of tires last longer?

 

Rotating tires is NOT replacing them.  This rule specifically details it as replacing tires.   

 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2022 by petawawarace

[hotrod]

10 minutes ago, petawawarace said:

 

It says only 1 lug tool. So can't have 2 battery impacts.  My thought (and what I've done many times before) was 2 jacks and 2 impacts for swapping tires front/rear or side to side.  The intent of this rule was to stop teams from rapidly switching a full set of tires.  But why would we want to hurt teams trying to make a set of tires last longer?

 

OOPPS Sorry I see it. 8.3.4

[petawawarace]

Overall, I think the changes are pretty good.  Enforcement is going to be a challenge for the tire and 75%/50/50 rules, but we'll see how that goes I guess.