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Ok, so we had a fantastic time racing with you all this weekend. Way more fun than another crappy series. A couple of things I need to note:

Smokey is infinitely sorry for that oil slick on Saturday

With the exception of the asshat team who rear ended me on the straight as I pointed you by, you were all awesome to race with.

Once we find the missing diesel horsepower, we might make top 20 some day!

Really, great weekend! Can't wait to do it again!

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We were glad to have you :). No worries about the mile-long oil spray. We got it cleaned up.. we just had to borrow some kitty litter :).

This has been on my mind and it keeps getting lost.. Chump staff should add to the drivers meeting something about if someone blows up or thinks he is leaking fluids to shut it down and wait for a tow rather then goo the track from turn 3 to the S/F line.

No offense to anyone, it just sucks circulating for 45 min while the track cleans up

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This has been on my mind and it keeps getting lost.. Chump staff should add to the drivers meeting something about if someone blows up or thinks he is leaking fluids to shut it down and wait for a tow rather then goo the track from turn 3 to the S/F line.

No offense to anyone, it just sucks circulating for 45 min while the track cleans up

It would be good to have that thrown in the drivers meeting, "If you realize you are leaking something or blow your engine get off of the driving line." In this case I heard it was their oil cooler line so they wouldn't have known there was a problem until it pumped all the oil out.

Glad you had fun out there, we'll see you next time!

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Glad you have you guys out there! The car handles pretty well, but is also pretty big and pretty slow... So, not as easy as one would think to get around in the corners, but definitely easy on the straights!

Is it a turbo?

Were you doing 4 hours on one tank?

See you at the next race! Definitely a sweet looking rig!

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cliff's notes: TSR got called out in the driver's meeting on sunday.

i've been racing with these dudes since chumpcar numero uno in the pdx. i remember when their engine could barely make it through a session, and barring that, their brakes, among other things/locations (infineon, driver/fuel/brake/etc). they've worked it all out finally, and found a way to dominate both in setup and in driving! they deserve the (double!) win this weekend. but as we're all aware, there was a small controversy regarding fuel. this is chump racing; it died on the vine rightfully. that said, i offer one picture to help TSR prevent fuel issues in the future:

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see ya'll in spokane (x2)/"the ridge"/portland in the 2012!!

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Absolutely, credit to TSR for developing a fast and reliable car. That said, having volunteered at pit-out Saturday afternoon, they were downright pissy whenever they got black flagged. I don't expect people to be happy when they get a black flag, but swearing and yelling at the pit-out workers because you disagree with the flag is not a good idea. Next time I'll be having a heart-to-heart with control about how that two-minute penalty should really be a five-minute penalty.

I loved seeing the diesel Benz out on track, but I've got to admit I was hoping for big billowing clouds of black smoke, not the meager puffs I saw when Smokey pulled away :D

General Lief and the Squirrels impressed me once again with their ability to run a fantastic race. Only a lap behind TSR while lapping several seconds slower (I don't think I saw either of you in the penalty box, hmmm...), and only ten seconds between Lief and the Squirrels according to MyLaps?!? Amazing.

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cliff's notes: TSR got called out in the driver's meeting on sunday.

What did they get called out for? I wasn't there Sunday. I was just going through video from Saturday and their car made some very interesting noises when passing us to get into 2nd. Remember that this is loud enough that the camera inside of our car is picking it up.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6c-raZz6LA

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What did they get called out for? I wasn't there Sunday. I was just going through video from Saturday and their car made some very interesting noises when passing us to get into 2nd. Remember that this is loud enough that the camera inside of our car is picking it up.

They stopped in the middle of the track while out of fuel or something which prompted a quick tow...they were in the lead. Also there was some controversy over them having a 22 gallon fuel cell. Stock sized fuel tanks used to keep people from adding mega horsepower and still going two hours. The desire to win is growing faster than I can afford. You will not see many if any cage 'n go race cars on the podium from here on out. It's all about high horsepower and big fuel cells...although I thought there was something in the 'rules' about larger than stock sized fuel cells.

I will also note that every TSR car has spilled fuel in every race I have been in and nobody seems to care. I even pointed out to the team that there gas cap (when it had a stock filler on the side) had no gasket and that was the problem. I have a feeling they removed it on purpose for venting. That picture sums it up...

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As far as the oil leak went, we had no idea. It was the low oil pressure kill switch that killed the car and coasted off track. The oil continued to drain as we were towed in. And it sucked, but we're sorry and we cleaned the entire engine compartment before we went back on track to keep the car from continuing to be an oil slick. Yes we are slow, especially on the straights, we're working on that. There's just not enough horsepower to get the car going, our top speed was 91 :wacko: But I wasn't the slowest car out there, some people I passed more than once. And we were running 3 hours between fueling, there was still fuel in the tank, but the car would dog under left hand corners as the fuel ran away from the feeder line. We're gonna fix that too. Then we'll run 5-6 hours on a tank :D

It was an awesome weekend! Still have a stupid grin on my face.

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cliff's notes: TSR got called out in the driver's meeting on sunday.

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see ya'll in spokane (x2)/"the ridge"/portland in the 2012!!

Which team are you with? We'll see you at Ridge and PIR later this year, but won't be making it to Spokane just yet... One year we will!

On Saturday, it appeared(I didn't time them) that the 72 car fueled twice without having to wait a full 5 minutes. Once was when they ran out of fuel on track and were towed in(no timer put on the car) and the second was during a full course yellow that turned red in the middle of their driver change/refuel(which they continued with for a bit when red and went back out as soon as the course went yellow). Both circumstances are hard, basically impossible, to keep track of pit time with and I was told at the tower that they just got lucky. That being said, I'm still irked about my/my teams errors that also helped them clinch the win of not having full communication and loosing about 2-3 laps due to coming in too early for the end of my stint - twice! DOH!!!!

The TSR guys were good to race with on track while around me and I never heard anything bad about them from my other teammates. It appears they know their Camaro/Firebirds as well as we know our Volvo 140s/240s! The car does really well and the drivers are good!

General Lief and the Squirrels impressed me once again with their ability to run a fantastic race. Only a lap behind TSR while lapping several seconds slower (I don't think I saw either of you in the penalty box, hmmm...), and only ten seconds between Lief and the Squirrels according to MyLaps?!? Amazing.

Thanks! Yes, the Squirrels were nipping on our bumper for the last 30+ minutes and Marc, our driver at the time didn't know he was for position and hadn't been trying to maintain distance until they were just about on us. So, the last half hour was a sprint for him after he had already been in the car for 1.5hrs... He was a bit tired after that but held them off! The Squirrel cars and ours were very close in fastest lap times so it was always great to be racing around them. The #3 car was especially fun at times with the tail dancing around and the hope that it'll come further around... Never happened when I was around it! Great driving!

Special mention to the #24 Asphalt Mafia guys as well! Their car looked awesome, sounded awesome and was driven awesome! I want to know why they didn't place better, what challenges did they have? We had some great battles with them and I enjoyed doing what I could to try and get around them for the last 15 minutes or so on Sunday. They kept getting the blue flag coming onto the back straight but rarely did they hold me up more than a couple tenths on track and we whittled through traffic and just went at it for the end of the race. UNTIL I felt the car sputter a couple of times as if it was out of fuel on the second to last lap and I slowed down for the final lap worried about being stranded. Which, was a stupid idea because I gave up 8th place to the #49 Honda Prelude(one of the fastest cars in the wet and similar to ours in the dry). No matter, there's no difference in prize money for 7th/8th/9th place! When I hopped into the car to make sure we had all four drivers racing yesterday, the charge light was on and wouldn't turn off! I looped back into the pits and we checked wires but didn't see anything, so went back out and did the last 45 minutes with 11.9V on the voltmeter. :) Good stuff!

As mentioned above, the diesel Merc. handled very well and drove well, I thought! Give it some more balls and it'll be a great car out there.

Regarding tank size, the ruling is stock plus 2 gallons. The problem comes when you have a stock tank that is an odd size, like 17 gallons. In such a circumstance, a team should be able to run a 19 gallon fuel cell, but no such thing exists in Chumpcar's preferred fuel cell company's catalog. Instead of shorting the team, they get to bump up to the next available fuel cell size, which would be 22 gallons. At that point, the team is supposed to be on their honor to only put in 19 gallons.

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Glad you had a good time, I was not singeing you out, obviously there was no way to know in your situation, what was in the back of my mind was, and I have been witness to several times, someone blows a motor with a obvious bang then drive/lubricate 3/4 the track just to pull on the trailer, or replace the engine. Either way waiting for a tow would not have changed their finish position but definitely affects everyone else.

This should be part of the drivers meeting.

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Regarding tank size, the ruling is stock plus 2 gallons. The problem comes when you have a stock tank that is an odd size, like 17 gallons. In that circumstance, they should be able to run a 19 gallon fuel cell, but no such thing exists in Chumpcar's preferred fuel cell company's catalog. Instead of shorting the team, they get to bump up to the next available fuel cell size, which would be 22 gallons. BUT!!! The team is supposed to be on their honor to only put in 19 gallons. It's pretty much impossible to keep eyes on every car fueling in the pits and make sure they never use 4 full 5 gallon jugs during fueling...

Then why even have that rule? Convenient for some...definitely not all. My car has a 10 gallon tank and starts pulling air after 9 gallons used and we can still go 2 hours of green racing. I would hate to run a car that burned 20 gallons in two hours...that's a lot of fuel per race!

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Then why even have that rule? Convenient for some...definitely not all. My car has a 10 gallon tank and starts pulling air after 9 gallons used and we can still go 2 hours of green racing. I would hate to run a car that burned 20 gallons in two hours...that's a lot of fuel per race!

There's no good answer, unless there's a company that makes 20 gallon fuel cells and Chumpcar starts recognizing and enforcing use of. Edited by Kyle
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can someone remind me how to look at lap times?

Saturday:
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Sunday:
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Sounds like straight cut gears and instantaneous shifting. I've heard you can gut out the teeth on the synchros or something to make a normal gearbox able to slam shifts(not very reliable, I'm sure), but that sounds another notch special.

I'm no expert, but that sure sounds like a dogbox to me.

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Regarding tank size, the ruling is stock plus 2 gallons. The problem comes when you have a stock tank that is an odd size, like 17 gallons. In that circumstance, they should be able to run a 19 gallon fuel cell, but no such thing exists in Chumpcar's preferred fuel cell company's catalog. Instead of shorting the team, they get to bump up to the next available fuel cell size, which would be 22 gallons. BUT!!! The team is supposed to be on their honor to only put in 19 gallons. It's pretty much impossible to keep eyes on every car fueling in the pits and make sure they never use 4 full 5 gallon jugs during fueling...

Except the Camaro only has a 14 gallon fuel tank originally. So if they are running a 22, they are running about 160% increase capacity.

As Chump goes on, everybody will be more aware of the cheaters.

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Except the Camaro only has a 14 gallon fuel tank originally. So if they are running a 22, they are running about 160% increase capacity.

As Chump goes on, everybody will be more aware of the cheaters.

I don't actually know what size tank they have or what they are allowed. I was just quoting what I was given as an example of how the Chumpcar rules are worded in regards to fuel tank sizing.
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Would the above explain why I was hearing raised voices, and a remark about "take a bubble bath and get over it" on PIRLive during the coverage of the podium?

Yes, someone was interested in what size tank the winning team had. From my understanding, a couple of guys on the winning team took serious offense to it and got quite angry. (EDIT: Justin brings up a good point below that I forgot to mention. It is also my understanding that tanks that were in place before this rule was made have been grandfathered in.) Edited by Kyle
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