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Here is a 10 minute highlight reel from the first 2 hours of the race. My brand new Go Pro Hero 2 would not take a charge after it went dead shortly into the second stint. Most of the video is me driving, yes I know I suck at downshifting, lol.

There is some fun video of Jacky Ickx, Infinity, Blitzen and others. It ends with a clip of us getting nailed right after our first driver change.

Enjoy! Watch in 1080HD Full Screen for best effect :)

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIistp1kUwY&feature=youtu.be

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I did my fair share of crappy driving since I still consider myself a newb, but I am of the opinion that the Miata blocked me pretty badly. A normal Spec Miata (and that team supposedly has several Spec Miata drivers on the roster) takes a very late turn in point for that corner. Had he not pulled over to slow me down, I would have been door to door with him, if not half a car ahead of him by the time we both turned in. There is a wide range of driver skill in ChumpCar, and I think that is half of the fun because you have to plan your passes and execute them in a way to not get hit by somebody not paying attention. Maybe I expected the Miata to give me more room since I have heard that their team is all really good drivers. Had he stayed on the normal racing line, I can promise you that it would have been a no drama pass. I saw that same car in another video and they took a wide late turn in point like I was expecting them to as I came up on them.

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(1) your arms are too straight IMO, you should have more bend in your elbows. sit closer for better control of the wheel.

(2) so your second driver tried to dive bomb the eventual race winner and you think it was their fault?

(3) I could have done without most of the commentary, your ego is unbelievably immense. humility might serve you better.

(4) "slower cars stay low" means when not racing for position. see #3 above.

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1) Car is setup for multiple drivers, though I have no issue, or post race soreness from the position of my arms.

2) The eventual race winner??? The car that hit our second driver was car number #51, not the eventual winner, car number 10.

3) Commentary is mostly tongue in cheek. If you cannot handle some fun commentary or other people's opinions, go play chess.

4) Those exact comments are for another member on this board who claimed that his driver's were not driving high in the turns. There was absolutely no reason for them to 1) be that high up in the first instance because they were being passed and 2) move up exiting NASCAR 4, blocking the faster cars line. There is no way that you can tell me that a car going 100mph cannot maintain their line exiting that corner with complete control and not blending up towards the wall NASCAR style. This was explicitly covered in the driver's meeting. During my second stint this same car was rim riding and there were no other cars around them.

PS, this video was done by me, comments are from me, and that was mostly me driving. If you, or anyone, has problems with the video then it's with me.

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Couple observations: Your car is straight up awesome- I want it! The blue decklid Miata did indeed chop you and obviously was not watching his mirrors. Your arms look perfectly fine to me. The commentary, while mildly annoying, is certainly bearable- I've seen worse. Good job with the video and I wish there was more to watch.

Wide-running Miata guy/girl: Apex is still the apex. You are early and while there is indeed racetrack there, you are making the course longer than necessary while squaring up the exit and therefore slow in that corner (2nd most important corner at Daytona).

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I'm glad you liked my drivers "interesting" line at turn 6. Just using all the track.

In the car I thought he was going to clip the wall. That line probably kept the speed up, but you would have to look at data aquisition to see if it was beneficial overall.

I kinda figured the driver in the red Miata was watching his mirrors and moved over to slow up my momentum. I saw the car take that same turn in another video and they stayed out to the right much longer and then turned in. It could have been a different driver I suppose.

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Dog, come see me at VIR. I am just having a good time. The comments in the video (like the shark one on the back stretch, and the "whoa" ones) are what I remember thinking in the car. I was not implying that the other cars were doing anything wrong, but more that the position that I put the car in put me in a spot where I was not expecting the result that happened. That line you quoted was just to show that I did not contact the rest of the team or have any of their input when I made the video and I do not want some of my silly comments to shed a negative light on the rest of the team.

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This video is good, Should serve as a reminder that in chumpcar we let anyone race and we all race together. We all need to be mindfull of the range of skill sets, some take it to serious and think they own the track and some think its a sunday cruise. It would be nice if we all drove the same but this isnt nascar :lol:

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It would be nice if we all drove the same but this isnt nascar :lol:

Give NASCAR some credit -- if they all drove alike, there'd never be any passing, and the races would all resemble high-speed parades.

It's IndyCART's road and street courses you're thinking of. > ;)

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Give NASCAR some credit -- if they all drove alike, there'd never be any passing, and the races would all resemble high-speed parades.

It's IndyCART's road and street courses you're thinking of. > ;)

Lets see what the racing where they drive around in a circle all day and can only turn one way and they do most of the passing in the pit? is that nascar? yeah thats the one I am thinking of

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Well,we didn't make the video. But at least that means we didn't get insulted haha. :)

Which car were you, maybe I can find some footage :)

I didnt really mean to insult anyone actually. Poke a little fun, sure, but not actually make somebody mad. I am sure that there is some video out there from Daytona of me driving like an idiot because I know that I had some screw ups and I would not mind if somebody made comments about it. I do not think that there is a single driver in ChumpCar that would ever say that they had a perfect race, or even a perfect stint. None of us are Pros so hopefully nobody takes this stuff so seriously that they would get upset over it. I think I may have cut that red car (841) off that goes for the pass on the flat. Those guys were driving the wheels off of that car and it was fun racing with them.

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We were the green white and red miata, but we were off the track from 11:30 AM to 5 PM locating and then swapping a tranny.

Some of those slow cars were making passes, so i don't fault them for being in the line at those times. They're racing too. I was reminded of all that this weekend when the corolla was one of the quicker cars, and I had to deal with slower cars racing each other. They have a right to the track too.

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RE; the Miata line in T 1, The current lap records have been set for the small motor cars since the added pavement in T 1.

( Theres your data)

The actual payback of the large T1 arc is exit speed into the little offset wiggle into ( T 2?). My advice is to increase the T 1 arc if you still have pavemen on the right, coming through the wiggle. The old line allowed plenty of extra pavement though the wiggle, well under max lateral grip. So , maybe for the Miata, the line was optimal, or maybe he just missed his turn in.

Kevin, you are making your future "Racing Luck" by all of these little rightous comments. They may seem small and insignifigant to you ,but all of the rest of us will now always make you( and anyone in your car!!) wait for a pass because of your attitude toward us lesser souls.

I would expect a chop off to the apex everytime from now on. ( For anyone in your car) .

I consider your attitude anti Chump, from these comments and the withdrawal from the race itself when you decided that you could not win. The hard rear springs no doubt contributed to the lack of fun in the rain. Real Chumps would have swapped the springs, set the toe, and fnished the race.

PS, ):

MM

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I would expect a chop off to the apex everytime from now on. ( For anyone in your car) .

I consider your attitude anti Chump, from these comments and the withdrawal from the race itself when you decided that you could not win. The hard rear springs no doubt contributed to the lack of fun in the rain. Real Chumps would have swapped the springs, set the toe, and fnished the race.

PS, ):

MM

maybe his extra springs were even stiffer :lol: , I cant falt the guy for not wanting to crash in the rain. I called it quits last year in portland for the same reason. Just didnt feel safe slidding around

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Can't change setup? Slow down till things are manageable and dont fret when someone else becomes faster in different conditions.

Thank you for honorable mention within your vid, fast car, but from personal experience, dirt, one must be ready for bonehead or unexpected moves and go with the flow or red mist will creep in, heck even with our prior years on circle track we have little clue on our infractions within this realm, if anyone sees us doing wrong it would be appreciated to point it out so we can grow.

When the question of "how deep" comes up, notice the car to to the inside that caused our odd line(not to mention we had 0 hours on this course), apparently its trouble to pass a car passing a car into the chicane as we found out later when the pirate sucked our door off in exactly the same spot when the situation was reversed, lesson learned, back out, give room,pass next opportunity, no foul.

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back out, give room,pass next opportunity, no foul.

Excellent advice to ANY team with a chance of passing someone...in ALL ChumpCar races. These are, after all, endurance races. It is rare, if ever, that one corner makes a race.

BTW, no slight intended to any team here...you are all pretty used to passing us anyway, and generally do it well. I just thought that particular statement was good advice for all.

Looking forward to our return at Road Atlanta...seems such a long way away...

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Lets see what the racing where they drive around in a circle all day and can only turn one way and they do most of the passing in the pit? is that nascar? yeah thats the one I am thinking of

Except, of course, most of the passing doesn't happen in the pits.

Oh, and technically, *any* series which runs a closed-course is "driving in a circle" -- if one ends up back where one started.... :)

BTW: Where's Cup racing this weekend? Someplace called "Sonoma" -- ever heard of it? :)

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Infinity, in the driver's seat, I was expecting you to hit the brakes waaay before I did. I knew where my latest possible braking point was, and the closer you got to it, the less chance I knew I had of making the pass without potentially smashing us all up, ha ha. Since I could still see you when I initiated the brakes, I knew that there was no way you were going to be able to stay off of me if I turned in to make the corner. I was laughing in the car.

You smarter guys know who owns the car that was not staying low. I only put those clips in there because that car owner made comments that this car was not driving like that during the race. Since I had video to prove otherwise, I thought it made a nice addition to the video ;) I guess I was expecting for people to be listening in the driver's meeting. When I went out in the infield to watch the race, that same car was rim riding almost every time I saw it, both while being passed and when it was all alone. Heck the bottom of the track is the faster line anyways, I was there whenever I could be!

I have a decent amount of video of me giving up passes that I did not feel were completely safe. I think only one made the video, where I gave up on the 841 car entering the Bus Stop. I "could" have made that pass, probably cleanly, but I decided that the risk was not worth it.

Boy some of you guys sure are getting your panties up in a bunch ;)

If enough people start blocking us in corners, I will re-enforce the bumper appropriately and not be so generous with space given, or hit the brakes to avoud contact if somebody turns in on us while we are wheel to wheel with them, heh. Seriously though, that would be pretty silly for people to intentionally start blocking other racers. Do unto others..........

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RE; the Miata line in T 1, The current lap records have been set for the small motor cars since the added pavement in T 1.

( Theres your data)

The actual payback of the large T1 arc is exit speed into the little offset wiggle into ( T 2?). My advice is to increase the T 1 arc if you still have pavemen on the right, coming through the wiggle. The old line allowed plenty of extra pavement though the wiggle, well under max lateral grip. So , maybe for the Miata, the line was optimal, or maybe he just missed his turn in.

Kevin, you are making your future "Racing Luck" by all of these little rightous comments. They may seem small and insignifigant to you ,but all of the rest of us will now always make you( and anyone in your car!!) wait for a pass because of your attitude toward us lesser souls.

I would expect a chop off to the apex everytime from now on. ( For anyone in your car) .

I consider your attitude anti Chump, from these comments and the withdrawal from the race itself when you decided that you could not win. The hard rear springs no doubt contributed to the lack of fun in the rain. Real Chumps would have swapped the springs, set the toe, and fnished the race.

PS, ):

MM

Mogren, I know your opinion of us already, and your knowledge of all things racing. You have also pinned us with our deeply rooted anti-Chump spirit. We are making sure that each of the 4 new teams that we are helping build new ChumpCars also have this anti Chump spirit. We actually hate the series so much that we plan to never come to a race ever again and complain about the series to potential racers every chance we get. :unsure::rolleyes::blink:

Back to reality, I thought I had explained the reasoning behind our withdrawal well enough for people to understand. Some will think what they want to think, even if the true reasons are staring them in the face and they will make silly accusations to try to make themselves feel better (kinda the same way people will accuse other cars of having top speeds way higher than what FACTUAL data shows the car is running). The car had two pretty serious impacts during the event. Ever since the first impact, the car has a wicked vibration under braking. It was borderline loose in the dry, and really loose in the wet. We had no spare springs, nor do we need them and it was so close to the end of the race that it would have been pretty stupid to even attempt to swap springs and re-align the car in an effort to make 10 more laps, come on, be real. The last impact was with the wall and the back of the car appeared to be skewed. The tires we put on the car after the impact with the wall were our dry track tires which only had around 30% of the tread remaining on them, they made the loose situation even worse. The forecast showed more rain was coming. The nails in the coffin were the black flag and the ensuing impact with the wall. Those are the true explanations. If people want to keep twisting things around then they can go right ahead and do so. This is my last comment on the situation, no matter what other "experts" have to say about the situation.

In my future videos I will refrain from commenting on anything to keep the sensitive ones from becoming upset.

We will be at as many races as we can make this year, both with the Z32, and hopefully with some of the cars that we are helping friends put together. Feel free to drop in and say hi to see what kind of people we really are!

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RE; the Miata line in T 1, The current lap records have been set for the small motor cars since the added pavement in T 1.

( Theres your data)

The actual payback of the large T1 arc is exit speed into the little offset wiggle into ( T 2?). My advice is to increase the T 1 arc if you still have pavemen on the right, coming through the wiggle. The old line allowed plenty of extra pavement though the wiggle, well under max lateral grip. So , maybe for the Miata, the line was optimal, or maybe he just missed his turn in.

Kevin, you are making your future "Racing Luck" by all of these little rightous comments. They may seem small and insignifigant to you ,but all of the rest of us will now always make you( and anyone in your car!!) wait for a pass because of your attitude toward us lesser souls.

I would expect a chop off to the apex everytime from now on. ( For anyone in your car) .

I consider your attitude anti Chump, from these comments and the withdrawal from the race itself when you decided that you could not win. The hard rear springs no doubt contributed to the lack of fun in the rain. Real Chumps would have swapped the springs, set the toe, and fnished the race.

PS, ):

MM

Well said Mike. You always have a few that try to ruin a good thing for the majority.Take his comments as we do as a grain of salt and just let it roll off your shoulder The majority of the Chumps around here know this guy is a huge bag of wind, and his date with KARMA is fast approaching with his attitude and excellent people skills. Just sit back and laugh when it takes place.

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