CutlassRacer Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Is it just me or is there not much talk about the race at Sebring?Anyone want to guess how much it is going to rain this year? It has been raining alot more than last year up here in Gainesville. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 No one is interested, it will rain all week before the race ending only after we finish, nothing to see here, better sit this one out. We are heat cycling our new all weather snow tires and top secret rain rotors just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAJracing45 Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Interested in driving the new T1 line. It's a lot slower through the corner. Hope the track and the ambiance doesn't change too much since the France family will be running it now. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Race Control chisek Posted September 2, 2012 Race Control Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Speaking of Sebring - just got done updating my records. 90 entries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilwheel Posted September 2, 2012 Report Share Posted September 2, 2012 Interested in driving the new T1 line. It's a lot slower through the corner. Hope the track and the ambiance doesn't change too much since the France family will be running it now. :-(what the hell are u talkin bout ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassRacer Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 When did they change turn 1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAJracing45 Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 The track extended the pit lane wall way past the walk over bridge to accommodate more cars for the March 12 Hour race. The corner is tighter / slower now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAJracing45 Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 Here is a recent video of the track: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 T 1 was around 85mph on street tires on the VW, now it is around 6mph slower, due to the (6ft)tightened entry line. Lap times are about1-3 sec slower thus far, depending on the HP.Hope it rains , rains, rains, rains some more. Man those PCA guys suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassRacer Posted September 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 I will be there this weekend with PBOC (crewing, not testing our car). I think the track was like that the last time I was there and the guy I was working for was not any slower, but I think his skills had improved since the last time he was there also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 5, 2012 Report Share Posted September 5, 2012 We were there @ PBOC Feb, the track was changed before then. Pavalodo ran my SM , went 2sec slower , MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassRacer Posted September 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 I walked the track today, its no rougher than it was when we were there last year. Heck, its over half asphalt and the asphalt corners look to be better than they have been in the past. The wall extension has not had much of an impact on lap times according to teams that were testing today. A ChumpCar should not need that extra room to swing out for Turn One and still maintain speed. I looked through some of our video and we did not use that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 8, 2012 Report Share Posted September 8, 2012 When your drivers strart using the whole track,you'll be untouchable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassRacer Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Sure Mike, whatever you say man, lol. By swinging out to the right, you are only making the track longer, negating the minimal MPH that you would gain in taking the "better" line. This is not just my opinion, but that of some people who have a BUNCH of laps on the track before and after the modifications and with cars MUCH more powerful than any ChumpCar. If the faster cars are no slower with the wall extension, then Chumpcars will be no slower with the wall extension. Fact vs FantasySigned, the 150MPH Z32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Bigger arc= bigger speed potential . Our old speed entry @ T 1 was about 91, the new speed is about 85 with the HP car. The small change has put the TR out of range @this point ,we were very close before .The Chumper is about 79mph, with the new line, (10ft tighter entry). Was 83ish prior.The SM ,HPand the Chumper all are about 4-6mph slower through the exit of T 1. This speed is carried about 1000ft to T 3.The Trans am cars are a little more slowed. About 2secplus per lap ,same air densisty If you are going to argue physics with me, have at it. The best drivers in the Miatas are all about 1.5- 2sec slower, mostly as a result of the 4-6mph slower T 1.The best drivers inthe country run the SM, some point in the year.I made my living doin the Data for this track with TA, Have maybe 8-10000 miles on it.Have fun ,MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassRacer Posted September 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 2012 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:45.8202011 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:46.5712010 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:45.2142009 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:45.2782008 Qualifying based off of Practice Speeds2007 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:44.9742006 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:48.8652005 No Qualifying due to weather2004 12 Hours of Sebring Pole: 1:48.710Not much of a trend now is there?Physics is one thing, application of them is another. The old lines are still visible on the track, under the new wall and there really is not that much of a difference. Sure you could gain a whopping 8 feet of a wider entry without the wall there, but that also means that you are pulling the car to the right, lengthening the track, scrubbing speed, to achieve minimal gains through Turn 1 into Turn 2. There is the opportunity to drive 16 the same way with as wide of an entry as you want to take, heck you could add 50 feet to your entry arc, but nobody does, even when physics would tell you that you could have a faster minimum speed going into the longest straightaway on the track. More time would certainly be gained here by applying your Turn 1 physics, but again, NOBODY DOES THAT, obviously there is a reason why! I half think you are trying to set us up if we show up and go faster than we did last year, whining that we have gotten way too faster (lol) especially considering the track is "2 seconds slower" etc blah blah blah. Your physics knowledge also predicted us going 150+ at Daytona, remember how well that worked out for you????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAJracing45 Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Those times you posted are pro drivers, in pro cars. Here are the times from a SCCA regional. (More closer in car quality and driver ability to us chumps)2011 ITA 2:37:5972011 SRF 2:32:3992011 SM 2:36:5272012 ITA 2:40:4152012 SRF 2:36:9682012 SM 2:40:023Until we all get there in a few weeks none of us knows for sure just how much slower we'll be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 Funnystuff .. "Chumpcars defeat the laws of physics!! " Going slower wont slow the lap times .WOW. Learned something today, as in dont bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepipe Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 2.35 771 SM at Sebring this year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted September 9, 2012 Report Share Posted September 9, 2012 SCCA, SM class went to Hoosier tires this year, from Toyo.Also if the chumps were not using all of the track, the change will not slow them down. The fastest drivers use all of the track ,as the turns all lead to very long straight sections. T17, T 1, T 5, T 13, T 16 , The exit V is crucial to the long straight section times. If you take a pad and pencil to the T 1 area, watch and record the lines of all the cars inthe class.. Take the same to T 16, the front running cars have all used the widest entry arc and had the hardest apex.Compare you r notes to the car's times, they will coincide 90% of the time. The 4 car vid, are 4 of the fastest guys inthe country. I use these vids for my team info. HTH, MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin9 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Just want to give a shout out to the Rust Riders #2 team, looks like you will be sharing a stall with my team, Speedway Creations at Sebring... My name is Justin... we have a rotary powered RX7... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 #44 Team Hoonage, anyone here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unk577 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Right here. Sorry we're mostly a bunch of Miata guys but if our umbrella girls work out it should be a good time for all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Right here. Sorry we're mostly a bunch of Miata guys but if our umbrella girls work out it should be a good time for all #44 will have umbrella girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unk577 Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Possibly. As long as they're willing to work for cheap liquor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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