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Like everybody, Crazy tired and sleep deprived long before we got there.  ;)  Got a sweet top floor room at the casino facing the track.  Anybody needing sleep got quiet comfortable sleep with a view of the track.  Excellent decision on that one.  got to the hotel at 2am...We got up around 7am, to the track around 10am.  Roll through tech at $450TCV


 


Found John and gave him a big bear hug because you know he loves and misses me.  :)


 


Race started and we felt pretty good. Car was good and at the hour mark we were in 3rd, running 3rd fastest laps. No shame there.  Then the car overheats.  We have no idea how long it had been overheating, gauge is so small and in crazy night time traffic, you're kinda busy.  bad radiator cap.  We let it cool, refill and rejoin the race. down in about 34th. we do some driver changes etc.  Car is using oil,  a quart per stop. and were leaking out trans fluid from one of the CV openings in the transmission.  And both front cv's are vibrating like crazy during cornering. to the point where it's shaking the in-car cam.  we get "chopped" 3-4 times in the corners by guys not checking their mirrors.  We took some minor damage, but nothing major.  about 11 hours in, and having been up for 28 hours my guys had enough and it was decided (as a group) I'd run the next leg and park the car while everybody else got some sleep.  They'd get 6-7 hours sleep and I'd get 5-6.


 


I think we parked it at the 13th hour, I'd gotten us back to 18th at that point.  I had good oil pressure the whole last leg.  Whatever it was that was leaking... it stopped. 


 


I get to the pits around 5pm and they're changing axles and doing prep work to go back out. They'd made a few trips to Napa and have 4 more axles we take apart and cobble into a set. We rotate some tires, fire it up and head off down pit road.  He's rolling toward the "pit out" and the tranny locks up.  I guess if you're gonna seize the transmission, better to do it at 10mph than 120mph.  So that was a lucky break.  If you want to call the timing on a transmission failure "lucky".


 


We get towed back to the pits and start taking things apart to swap the transmission out. We've had the engine out of this car a lot in the shop when we designed the swap.  but it's not user friendly to do it in a parking lot, just not enough of the right tools. we fight it for 2 hours and decide to call it a race. I took the transponder back to timing around midnight.  Hung out for a few hours, and hit the hotel for 6 hours, got up in time to watch the race end at 10am.


 


Very happy with the result.  Car ran for 13 hours, had a relatively competitive lap time (1:46.3 early on) and we'd run as high as third. My guys new when to "call it" for safety sake, and I was happy with that as well.  It's a hobby, and the reward did not outweigh the risk, and we're all on the same page in our camp.  So I'm proud of my guys on many levels, for giving it their all, and for knowing when they weren't safe to be in the car. Nothing but props from me on that.   No shame for us, that's our longest continuous run and the car felt good, wasn't edgy, was fun to drive and we had the capabilities to turn competitive lap times.  We called that a complete victory.  :)


 


We loaded up and headed to Tacoma, got there a few hours after the race quit, and took the car over to the Speedfactory shop.  We pulled the engine and transmission to have a look at the damage.Engine got so hot the plug wires had melted into the sleeves and could not be removed.  The seized transmission was a result of low fluid level and 3rd and 4th gear seizing onto that shaft. Rebuilt the transmission that night, swapped the engine out for our backup, buttoned it up, got it working, Tuned it on the dyno the next day and headed home.  First time ever we got home with a car in the trailer that's ready for the next race.  ;)


 


Thanks everybody, was a good time.  :)


 


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Not everybody checking their mirrors.  I can see where it's hard at night to really get a feel where everybody is.  We got it mostly bang'd back into place.


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Having a good time is more important than a finish sometimes.  I fully understand your thoughts on having a winning day even considering the outcome.  Glad you all are in good spirits and wonder when you're gonna haul your donkey out east so some of the rest of us can meet you and the team in person ?  Got some great bucket tracks over here !   I know most of us here on the forum were really pulling for you all.   Later dude !


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The most important question:  What's the Chump discount code to Stormer Hobbies?  Might need some stuff for one of my cars or trucks one day...  :)

 

Call us up any time, we'll get you the hookup. :-) 1-800-255-7223. I'd say we are generally the lowest price on everything cool and worth having.  If you're into it, drop us a note with your RC needs or questions. it's never been a better time to be in the RC hobby.  I'd say we are in the Muscle car era, to use a common phrase.  Never been faster, more powerful, stronger and better handling. 50-60mph is no big deal anymore.  Good stuff!!!

 

Having a good time is more important than a finish sometimes.  I fully understand your thoughts on having a winning day even considering the outcome.  Glad you all are in good spirits and wonder when you're gonna haul your donkey out east so some of the rest of us can meet you and the team in person ?  Got some great bucket tracks over here !   I know most of us here on the forum were really pulling for you all.   Later dude !

 

I've got trophies and spent a lot of time racing on TV. I'm good. Just want to have some fun and see if I can make some junk old civics into race cars. We're having fun. And I'm happy. :-)

I've read the towing laws for most states. We're to long for a lot of them. :-( we'd like to hit Mazda. And I talked to the DOT in cali. They have "nascar" routes. But we don't qualify.

 

Good job Bob. I'm curious though, what did you take away from this race that will push you closer to the podium?

 

For us, better monitoring, gauges etc. Maybe more worst case scenario "idiot lights". Car was so hot, gauge so small and in the dark in traffic it seemed we were to busy "looking out" to check gauges. Bigger brighter stuff. :-)

 

He is still more worried about lap times, until the axle geometry/quality issues are resolved I fear nothing will change.

 

We get closer on that all the time. It's the life of a swapped car. :-) just gotta plug on. He'll, took Bill 12 races to get sorted with his swap.

 

Bob, have you finished a race yet?-Chris

Wire to wire? No. We did finish one after an engine change. But the car was so slow stock nobody wanted to come back. Now it's capable-ish, just gotta keep beating back the gremlins. We'll get it. When we were in 3rd at the hour mark (just before the radiator problems) I felt myself getting all serious about it. Started worrying about pitstops, sleep, etc. I honestly hadn't planned to run the whole time. I was glad when the team voted to shut off the car and get some sleep. Showed good, proper, spirit, and common sense prevailed. I'm proud of my guys for that. :-)

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What kind of swap are you running?...If it is not prying...we ran a swap and ran wire to wire..didn't set the track ablaze but we did 943 laps....no offense...just curious

 

F23 from the accord.  It is THEE cheapest engine in Honda's line-up. I chose it for that reason, reasonable power and easy to Chump.  And when I say "easy to chump" I mean it's easy to get it through financially.  It is so uncommon you're gonna have to make engine mounts and solve a lot of other problems.  Nobody uses it for a swap in the real honda-tuner world.  It also uses a ridiculous 4 wire hitachi distributor and crank triggers.  Enjoy solving that one.  Drop me a note when you do.

 

It's the engine the Honda-tuner world takes OUT of cars to replace with real engines.  So nobody messes with them.  Making it harder to solve as well.

 

I'd say it's a dead on even-money power situation with the B18 and B20 non-vtec engines, but with a shittier transmission.  If I had it to do over again, I'd do a B20.  Easier in every way. More common, better transmission and a bigger brain trust of information to sift through for ideas.

 

I made tooling when I made the mounts the last time.  I'm actually thinking about marketing them. For street driving, I'd say it's a solid swap for a guy with a D. But there is that thorny problem with the wiring that I think would turn guys away to the more common swaps.  B-swaps are pretty dialed and easy.

 

I'd run an automatic J-swap, but there's something about an automatic that just seems to take the race-car feel out of the race-car.  My son is big in the J's and building headers, intakes, flanges, etc and starting a company. We might build one as a chump test bed car.  And I'd be into that, even if we took laps, that's a solid family decision to make. Helping family succeed in life, AND get to race!!!! There's no "lose" in that scenario.  :)

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great outlook on things.......thanks for the info...I was curious when I saw your car in the paddock without any real activity around it as to what happened...it did look good when it was on the track....I like the couch you brought for crashing on...


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great outlook on things.......thanks for the info...I was curious when I saw your car in the paddock without any real activity around it as to what happened...it did look good when it was on the track....I like the couch you brought for crashing on...

 

Bought that couch at Goodwill for $35 last year at the spokane race.  Bought one for the Socket Monkeys team to.  Theirs had flowers on it...BWAAHAAA!  :)  Shared the couch all weekend with the Ponti-hack crew.  Good fun.  :)  I found a gold ring in that couch, along with some sexy undies and a check from a DJ company to some other company for $2700 which included (according to the memo) $500 in bounced check fees.  Couch has been a good conversation piece.  Frylock claimed the sexy undies, not sure why, I don't think they were his size. ;P

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Axles;  measure the  plunge gap.


 "free up"  the CV/tripods,     They need to move nice and free.         Mobil one grease in the axles.


 


 Mobil one  GL4 oil in the trans.    If the drive flange bearings are too loose to keep the oil in, some trans can use an extra case gasket to add a few thou to the case size and snug up the flange bearings.   


 


    Good job and great attitude. Racing with your kid is what it is all about.. cant buy that time back later.


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And you came away with a souvenir TBR decal. :)

 

<- wonder if at any point his crew noticed the silver-and-grey Ford F-150 with the "CSA DN" plates parked not 200' from their paddock space... ;)

 

That alone was worth the effort!  Although by association we are now lowering Tubbys "cool" average.  :P

 

 

I used gm synchromesh with the friction modifier in my trans...shifted like buttah...sounds like the couches have some interesting stories to tell...I will come by and chat the next event that I see you

 

Swing on over. Pull up some couch. :)

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Good job Bob. I'm curious though, what did you take away from this race that will push you closer to the podium?

Hi Dog, Its me your pal/yanky friend , eugene/teampaisley..,

 

This it what I learned, Actually I knew all a long, Its all about horsepower. or at least, Power to weight....And then all the other bull cookies.

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Tru dat. Power/Weight.

 

How about this take on it.  It's easier to have a good power/weight ratio. but if we're all driving different cars... it's hard to tell what's what.  All you have is a lap time to compare.

 

I know for a fact we have a much superior power to weight ratio to the socket monkeys. and with average drivers, their car walks our car enough in the corners that the 20 feet they lose on the straight isn't much of an issue.  And they have drivers that have won on that track in non-chump events.  they know more than we do (our teams average guys).  Irritates the hell out of me, truth be known. But there is always more to it than basic setup.  You have to look at the fact that there were what, maybe 250-400 drivers in Spokane.  that means there were 25-40 people (the top 10%) that could really whoop some donkey at any time.  That leaves a LOT of "average" drivers to wonder what the hell was that?

 

I have some ideas on how to get our car to rotate faster in the corners. Not sure what the full size term is for that. suspension is suspension it all works the same, big or little. :)  And it's easier to work on a full size car... WAY less to adjust and tune.  :)

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How about this take on it.  It's easier to have a good power/weight ratio. but if we're all driving different cars... it's hard to tell what's what.  All you have is a lap time to compare.

 

I know for a fact we have a much superior power to weight ratio to the socket monkeys. and with average drivers, their car walks our car enough in the corners that the 20 feet they lose on the straight isn't much of an issue.  And they have drivers that have won on that track in non-chump events.  they know more than we do (our teams average guys).  Irritates the hell out of me, truth be known. But there is always more to it than basic setup.  You have to look at the fact that there were what, maybe 250-400 drivers in Spokane.  that means there were 25-40 people (the top 10%) that could really whoop some donkey at any time.  That leaves a LOT of "average" drivers to wonder what the hell was that?

 

I have some ideas on how to get our car to rotate faster in the corners. Not sure what the full size term is for that. suspension is suspension it all works the same, big or little. :)  And it's easier to work on a full size car... WAY less to adjust and tune.  :)

 

It's called looooooose...........  hateful in a FWD if you ask me.

 

Work on finishing the race first Bob.  You have made huge strides in that direction, keep it going.  It's the little poop that killz ya...........

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