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VIR Aug 29, 2015 Biscuitville 125 NASCAR K&N Pro Series East & Cooper Tire Prototype Lites powered by Mazda

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VIR Aug 29, 2015 Biscuitville 125 NASCAR K&N Pro Series East Cooper Tire Prototype Lites powered by Mazda


 


My wife works with a doctor that races in the Continental series and he invited us to the NASCAR event at VIR at the end of August. 


 


Anyone going or racing there that weekend?


 


I want to get more info and meet more people with the idea of moving forward with the ChumpModel sprint class.


 


So how close are the K&N cars to the Chump Model rules?


 


http://virnow.com/events/nascar-kn-pro-series-east/


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So how close are the K&N cars to the Chump Model rules?

 

http://virnow.com/events/nascar-kn-pro-series-east/

Not even close -- the K&N cars are closer to a current-generation NASCAR Cup or "Grand National" (since they keep changing the *&^%$#!ing sponsor) car: weight is 3,300 lbs, where most LMs are sub-3,000; body panels are completely different (closer to NASCAR Gen-6 than a LM); engine power is also different (~650 HP). I'm not sure what the actual lap time differences look like, tho'.

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Bill - if you recall the two #70 cars, one was a former Xfinity (Busch) car and the other was very close to a regular weekly Late Model.  As you recall, the speed differential was amazing, but also consider that the Xfinity car had probably 600+ hp.


 


Did you see the ad in Abingdon for the LMSC for sale?  A bit high on the price, but it is representative of a complete turn-key car . . .  


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yep. gotta get the SuperMR2 built first as the sponsors paid for that, then I can look at these hypercars.

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VIR Aug 29, 2015 Biscuitville 125 NASCAR K&N Pro Series East Cooper Tire Prototype Lites powered by Mazda


 


My wife works with a doctor that races in the Continental series and he invited us to the NASCAR event at VIR at the end of August. 


 


Anyone going or racing there that weekend?


 


I want to get more info and meet more people with the idea of moving forward with the ChumpModel sprint class.


 


So how close are the K&N cars to the Chump Model rules?


 


http://virnow.com/events/nascar-kn-pro-series-east/




 


I have a late model stock sitting in my garage and am also looking for people planning on running a Chumpmodel.  Went to the see the chumps at Charlotte and came up for the Continental race this Saturday and any lingering doubts about going road racing are now gone.  I have got to either a) get this late model turning right or B) get it sold and get my hands on a more conventional chump car.

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Also, MY $.02 on the difference between a late model and a KN car-


 


Apples to apples, meaning both cars are as raced on an oval, the KN car has 200 more hp, much larger "real" racing brakes and a taller, higher downforce body.  The chassis really aren't materially different.  Both are truck arm rear, but the KN car is a big spring (all 4 shocks outside the spring) and the late model would most likely be a coil-over (but could be a big spring too).


 


The brakes on a late model are stock size and configuration for GM calipers, the rotors allowed to be larger, but the actual caliper is a tiny little single piston deal.  From what I can tell, the Chumpmodel rules are pretty open, so I am working on figuring out what I need to get to retrofit my beater with some beefed up brakes.


 


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Western . . . recommend you read Section 10 of the Chump rules (if not already).  Those specs are a good start, although according to Mike Chisek, we may look at a few changes when the 2016 edition is released.  When I inspected the entries at VIR 7-8-9 August, I noted a some disparity among the cars, with regard to brakes, body, frame height, engines, etc. 


 


You are correct about the general construction of the two classes.  But, the thrust of equalizing the field by limiting major items (weight, displacement, carb size, and tires) and leaving many of the car construction open, we hope to build a large following.  There are plenty of these cars languishing in garages and under tarps out there.  We just have to find them and get them in to the marketplace . . .


 


Mike will have the last word on this new class, but if you have pointed questions, send 'em in . . .


 


Gary


 


(BTW:  what is your location and how much are you asking for the car?  Roller? Or complete?)


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I hope it didn't come off as me complaining about the differences between those types of cars.  With comparable brakes and engines, I don't know why a touring series car would be much quicker than late model, but I am no expert.  The brakes are a radical difference, but I don't think anybody would plan to road race a LMSC without upgrading the brakes at least a little.  I have read the rules, seems like a great start to me.  


 


My car isn't really for sale, I ran it for 3 years, had a moderately serious crash (killed front and rear clip), fixed it, had a kid, did some other stuff and figure now is the time to get it put back together completely and do something with it.  I either need to sell it or short track it again.  From the cheap seats, road racing seems more fun than NASCAR short track racing and a heck of a lot more laid back atmosphere.  Besides that, not sure I can afford short track racing anymore.  However, if it were, I would say I would need about $10k for the roller.  These cars are cheap for what they are, but they are not cheap.  It was every bit of $25k to buy this car and get it race ready.


 


And, I am 15 miles northwest of Charlotte. 


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Bill . . . are you claiming "first dibs" on this car . . . ?  :rolleyes:


 


Have fun at VIR, and give us a full report.  We're racing Friday nite . . .otherwise I'd be headed south early Saturday morning . . .


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