Mikelly Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Curious as to why this is a rule. With the size of modern cameras, I don't see them being a safety issue, so what is the Official ChumpCar reason for this? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Mike Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Because John didn't like them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 There are many other attachment points in a car, why put it on a movable object that in an incident can get caught in straps, nets? Also, if for some reason you are put on a stretcher with a neck brace, it becomes a hassle for safety workers to remove. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 19, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Because getting a camera stuck in the window or center net sucks. Attaching any device nullifies the helmet rating. Getting a camera punched through the helmet into your brain looks cool in the movies, but really does not transfer well to real life. Having already had a brain injury while racing in ChumpCar, I will fight against allowing cameras on helmets. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eman911 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 20 minutes ago, Bill Strong said: Having already had a brain injury from working for ChumpCar, I will fight against allowing cameras on helmets. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 And on top of that they produce TERRIBLE videos. Attach that camera to a solid surface and everyone watching will thank you. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Bill Strong said: Attaching any device nullifies the helmet rating. Interesting if true as INDY and IMSA both have them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmabarone Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Snake said: Interesting if true as INDY and IMSA both have them. Most of the IMSA ones attach on the visor and the INDY one appears to attach to the predrilled vent or duct holes on those helmets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I strugggle with this rule. As a renter I want video but don't always have access to the car to hook up a go pro property. A helmet mounted camera seems like a great solution. I was informed from another racing organization (SCCA) that in addition to the risk @Bill Strong mentioned another is having additional mass on your head/reck. The additional mass will increases the amount of energy it takes for your head to deaccelerate in a crash. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 The videos suk . Esp Chumper vids with heads bouncing around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racer28173 Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Yeah. I agree that the videos suck. I have to laugh at the extra mass argument, because it can't be more than about a five percent increase (unless you are putting a Betamax on there). That said, I agree with the comments about it getting stuck on things at a time that you need to be getting out. Jamie - you and I are similar in our renting patterns. I don't have any problems getting a camera mounted in an "alien" car. I just bring four or five types of mounts with me and I fly in early and install the correct mount in tech line, early in the morning before the race, etc. if you have all of your mounts figured out and can pull the correct one out for the job, it can be pretty quick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 21, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 The indy cameras are attached a hook and loop fasteners. https://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/143210-insight-how-indycar-developed-its-hd-helmet-cam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I like these videos so much more. I am not sure why everyone hates. Here is one I quickly found from @stupenduzzman because I know he likes to run a helmet cam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jamie said: I am not sure why everyone hates. It's the same reason why I don't mount my television to a shake table... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 9 hours ago, Bill Strong said: The indy cameras are attached a hook and loop fasteners. https://www.racer.com/more/viewpoints/item/143210-insight-how-indycar-developed-its-hd-helmet-cam Correct but still helmet mounted. Illegal or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Snake said: Correct but still helmet mounted. Illegal or not? Article says they worked with Bell to get them certified. So as of now, they are only allowed on Bell helmets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Racer28173 said: Yeah. I agree that the videos suck. I have to laugh at the extra mass argument, because it can't be more than about a five percent increase (unless you are putting a Betamax on there). That said, I agree with the comments about it getting stuck on things at a time that you need to be getting out. Jamie - you and I are similar in our renting patterns. I don't have any problems getting a camera mounted in an "alien" car. I just bring four or five types of mounts with me and I fly in early and install the correct mount in tech line, early in the morning before the race, etc. if you have all of your mounts figured out and can pull the correct one out for the job, it can be pretty quick. When I was at GM they were replacing all the test drivers helmets with CF ones to reduce the weight because they had crash studies showing significant enough differences. I am guessing that weight is less then a camera's. I just bought some fancy ram mount accessories for my phone and plan to rock that. Its just always a low priority for me to do pre race, I am typically busy talking poop and doing last second wrenching on @Miata PI's car. But I am going to make a effort to do it at Buttonwillow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindspin311 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 GoPro mounted on my helmet for some karting fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 22, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 No cameras are legal on a helmet for ChumpCar racing. 19 hours ago, Snake said: Correct but still helmet mounted. Illegal or not? illegal in CCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I think this rule needs to be treated like every other rule in the book... What if I mount a piece of wood to my helmet. Rules don't say I can't. Then I mount a camera to the wood. It's not mounted directly to the helmet. Or, the rules don't say I can't mount a GPS data device to my helmet. It happens to also take pictures, but I'm not calling it a camera. Or, it's for safety. It allows live streaming to my team in the pits, where they can monitor everything and make it safer for me to race. Etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 1 hour ago, TBone said: I think this rule needs to be treated like every other rule in the book... What if I mount a piece of wood to my helmet. Rules don't say I can't. Then I mount a camera to the wood. It's not mounted directly to the helmet. Or, the rules don't say I can't mount a GPS data device to my helmet. It happens to also take pictures, but I'm not calling it a camera. Or, it's for safety. It allows live streaming to my team in the pits, where they can monitor everything and make it safer for me to race. Etc. But, if you remove the piece of wood and replace it with a piece of Styrofoam you can deduct 50 points from your TVC15... or whatever acronym you choose. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 22, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Or just use race capture pro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2kredz3 Posted August 27, 2017 Report Share Posted August 27, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 9:59 PM, mindspin311 said: GoPro mounted on my helmet for some karting fun Where did you mount the gopro on your helmet? I did helmet mount on the side and that did not work well :-( This looks perfect, but my helmet has a visor and I could not operate the visor with the mount on the front of the helmet. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mindspin311 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/26/2017 at 10:25 PM, 2kredz3 said: Where did you mount the gopro on your helmet? I did helmet mount on the side and that did not work well :-( This looks perfect, but my helmet has a visor and I could not operate the visor with the mount on the front of the helmet. Thank you! This is on the side of the helmet, basically where my jawbone would be. Towards the front of the helmet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 On 8/19/2017 at 11:43 AM, jmabarone said: Most of the IMSA ones attach on the visor and the INDY one appears to attach to the predrilled vent or duct holes on those helmets. I don't think anyone is suggesting or willing to drill into their helmets to mount a cam. I know I'm not drilling into my Carbon Stilo. But, some 3M double sided tape... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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