Ogren-Engineering Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Can somebody please clarify if we have to pay track damage? Some supps state that we pay guardrail repair. Has anyone had to pay or is Chumpcar paying? I need this to clarify a discussion promoting Chumpcar . TIA,MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidry Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm curious about this too. In the HPDE world it seems to vary by sanctioning body and track. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogtired Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 There was discussion of some track clean up charges, but I don't know if we ever got billed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck Posted August 21, 2017 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It probably depends on the amount of damage I know track management were adding up tire placement grass damage and ect as I walked by up stairs. . The club can only absorb so much the drivers and teams are responsible for damage . I know you all read the form you signed when you came in ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knate Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 I remember a few years back someone smashed the guardrail at the Ridge and they had to buy it. The track actually gave the damaged piece of guardrail also.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snorman Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 In the south/southeast the only track I'm aware of that does this is Barber. S. And they'll even charge you for replacing shrubs, lol. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_e Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 3 hours ago, knate said: I remember a few years back someone smashed the guardrail at the Ridge and they had to buy it. The track actually gave the damaged piece of guardrail also.. That was the GCOB team. I believe COTA charges big bucks and they have video everywhere to prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Mike mentions it in one of his videos. Sounds like he tries to absorb as much cost as he can, but will come looking for the teams for a big incident or where serious negligence occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 21, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 It's in the rules. 1.3.9. Track Damage Liability: Teams entered in ANY ChumpCar event shall be liable for any and all damage their car may have caused to the race track, race track safety barriers and/or race track equipment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Bill Strong Posted August 21, 2017 Administrators Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 You can download the rules for ChumpCar here - https://chumpcar.com/downloads/2017ChumpCarBCCR.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewheelerZ Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, tommytipover said: Mike mentions it in one of his videos. Sounds like he tries to absorb as much cost as he can, but will come looking for the teams for a big incident or where serious negligence occurs. Thats what I was going to say. At Watkins his comment at the drivers meeting was something like: " the track charges us for cleanup of oil spills. So if you blow your engine, get off the track asap. If you do, then Chump will eat the cost. If you empty your oil pan on the racing line from T1 all the way up through the esses and to the bus stop because you weren't paying attention.... well then we are going to have a chat." Edited August 21, 2017 by thewheelerZ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi_Im_Will Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Chump may cover some of the costs at their discretion (for example spill cleanup if you're quick to get off the surface), but if you damage the track, expect to get a bill. We ended up paying for some armco and a couple bags of oil dry after our Watkin's Glen wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommytipover Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Mid Ohio is pretty proud of their Jer$ey Barrier$ and tire bundle$ too, as I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidry Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Can someone bracket the approximate cost for an Armco or other barrier mishap? Are we talking $1k, $5k, or ... gulp ... $10k? Ryan Empty Pockets Racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi_Im_Will Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, reidry said: Can someone bracket the approximate cost for an Armco or other barrier mishap? Are we talking $1k, $5k, or ... gulp ... $10k? Ryan Empty Pockets Racing WGI charged $400 for each ~20' section. Most of the walls are two sections tall, so assume you're going to be paying $800 minimum for a hard hit (assuming no CC help). Oil-dry was $25/bag. My guess is it would be difficult to rack up more than $2500 in damage, but you can do anything if you set your mind to it.... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEE DEE Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 Depends on how many feet that has to be replaced at Watkins Glen. Don't know about other tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 A team at COTA had to pay a couple of hundred bucks for spilling oil I think. COTA can be very expensive if you screw up. But COTA seems to be insane, they have cameras everywhere and bust your for it. Seems like most normal tracks doesn't care that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidry Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Hi_Im_Will said: WGI charged $400 for each ~20' section. Most of the walls are two sections tall, so assume you're going to be paying $800 minimum for a hard hit (assuming no CC help). Oil-dry was $25/bag. My guess is it would be difficult to rack up more than $2500 in damage, but you can do anything if you set your mind to it.... Good info. Anyone have pricing for safer barrier replacement costs? Ryan Empty Pockets Racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentite Posted August 21, 2017 Report Share Posted August 21, 2017 A couple years ago a team went out and oiled down PIRC after they were told to fix the car or put it on the trailer. Mike was livid and assured them they would be billed for the clean up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganf Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 I have heard VIR charges ~$1500 for one of their giant blocks of foam. In other words don't do this- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilwheel Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 AMP charges for it too, had to split the cost between 3 cars for two separate wrecks a few years back. You might remember that 1st and 2nd place took themselves out with about 30 minutes left in the day. Mike was good about it and helped with some of the costs. If memory serves and I was told correct it was $1200 for the section they replaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilwheel Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 AMP crash Pay up sucker ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogren-Engineering Posted August 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 No see-em hit the wall . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 I know it's common now but it just seems like putting up a new chunk of Armco or cleaning up some fluids is what the track rent should cover. When the charge $25 a bag for floor fry I really want to be in that business. That's good mark up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidry Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 30 minutes ago, JDChristianson said: I know it's common now but it just seems like putting up a new chunk of Armco or cleaning up some fluids is what the track rent should cover. When the charge $25 a bag for floor fry I really want to be in that business. That's good mark up Well the $25 charge includes cleaning up the mess, if you want to be the official oil dry sponsor you better bring a broom! Ryan Edited August 23, 2017 by reidry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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