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Well, it wasn't quite 14-Hours.
But it was a race up to the end.

84 cars started the race, 14 EC Class and 70 Classed cars.

 

Speedhive Official Results
https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/1835520

 

Congratulations to Cone Crushers for winning the race in their 1987 Porsche 944S

 

Fastest Time of Day
Lap 163        Hong North Grumpy Butt 1985 Toyota Supra (White)   1:40.767  90.744 miles/h
 
 
Competitor                                                                            Total Time        Diff      Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    917        Cone Crushers 1987 Porsche 944S (Blue)    10:42:34.481    0.000    273    1:41.966    129    89.677 miles/h
2    194        rbankracing.com 1988 Honda CRX (Red)    10:44:31.644    4 laps    269    1:41.579    145    90.019 miles/h
3    80        John Allen Special 2007 Mini Cooper S (Black)    10:44:20.560    5 laps    268    1:43.858    105    88.043 miles/h
4    918        Visceral Racing Group 1987 Porsche 944RS (RD/WT/BL)    10:43:29.773    7 laps    266    1:41.300    129    90.267 miles/h
5    255        Leviathan Motorsports 1991 Toyota mr2 (Orange Black)    10:44:41.168    7 laps    266    1:46.163    24    86.132 miles/h
6    516        GorillaSticker 1995 BMW 318ti (White)    10:36:50.317    10 laps    263    1:44.122    24    87.82 miles/h
7    977        NLS Racing 1993 Nissan 240sx (Black)    10:42:38.470    11 laps    262    1:43.078    157    88.71 miles/h
8    980        Bailey Racing 1999 Mazda Miata (Black)    10:42:58.721    13 laps    260    1:45.921    119    86.328 miles/h
9    230        Momo Champ 1994 Mazda Miata (Red/yellow/black)    10:43:49.745    13 laps    260    1:47.390    165    85.148 miles/h
10    288        Hamm's Beer Racing 1994 Mazda Miata (Silver)    10:39:32.908    16 laps    257    1:47.668    77    84.928 miles/h

 

 

A CLASS
Competitor    Total Time    Diff    Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    194        rbankracing.com 1988 Honda CRX (Red)    10:44:31.644        269    1:41.579    145    90.019 miles/h
2    980        Bailey Racing 1999 Mazda Miata (Black)    10:42:58.721    9 laps    260    1:45.921    119    86.328 miles/h
3    230        Momo Champ 1994 Mazda Miata (Red/yellow/black)    10:43:49.745    9 laps    260    1:47.390    165    85.148 miles/h
4    288        Hamm's Beer Racing 1994 Mazda Miata (Silver)    10:39:32.908    12 laps    257    1:47.668    77    84.928 miles/h
5    341        On Second Thought Racing 1991 Mazda Miata (Black)    10:43:54.640    12 laps    257    1:47.575    161    85.001 miles/h
 

 

B Class

Competitor    Total Time    Diff    Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    80        John Allen Special 2007 Mini Cooper S (Black)    10:44:20.560        268    1:43.858    105    88.043 miles/h
2    252        Kraken Racing 2002 Acura RSX Type S (Blue)    10:43:59.173    17 laps    251    1:48.248    107    84.473 miles/h
3    163        Hong North Grumpy Butt 1985 Toyota Supra (White)    10:43:12.566    18 laps    250    1:40.767    133    90.744 miles/h
4    501        Separate Checkbook Racing 2002 Ford Focus (Black)    10:26:19.310    25 laps    243    1:49.940    72    83.173 miles/h
5    250        Rotary Rocketeers 1990 Mazda RX7 (Red)    10:35:37.854    28 laps    240    1:41.895    111    89.739 miles/h
 

C Class

Competitor    Total Time    Diff    Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    917        Cone Crushers 1987 Porsche 944S (Blue)    10:42:34.481        273    1:41.966    129    89.677 miles/h
2    918        Visceral Racing Group 1987 Porsche 944RS (RD/WT/BL)    10:43:29.773    7 laps    266    1:41.300    129    90.267 miles/h
3    255        Leviathan Motorsports 1991 Toyota mr2 (Orange Black)    10:44:41.168    7 laps    266    1:46.163    24    86.132 miles/h
4    516        GorillaSticker 1995 BMW 318ti (White)    10:36:50.317    10 laps    263    1:44.122    24    87.82 miles/h
5    977        NLS Racing 1993 Nissan 240sx (Black)    10:42:38.470    11 laps    262    1:43.078    157    88.71 miles/h
 

D Class

Competitor    Total Time    Diff    Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    460        Freddie Mercury 1986 Mercury Capri (Yellow)    10:44:16.467        223    1:42.417    106    89.282 miles/h
2    119        Ragged Racing 1987 chevrolet Corvette (Mostly Green)    10:16:33.130    64 laps    159    1:47.013    140    85.448 miles/h
3    605        Spare Parts 1994 Ford MUSTANG (red)    4:45:52.323    126 laps    97    1:45.075    64    87.024 miles/h
4    569        Ziptied Racing 1968 dodge dart (Depends)    10:26:04.904    135 laps    88    1:58.603    33    77.098 miles/h
5    774        Moostang 1984 Ford Mustang (white)    5:53:58.157    159 laps    64    1:54.433    35    79.907 miles/h

 

EC Class

Competitor    Total Time    Diff    Laps    Best Lap    Best Lap No.    Best Speed
1    186        Casey Carden Motorsports 2008 Mazda MX-5 (Silver)    10:43:04.401    0.000    257    1:45.881    134    86.361 miles/h
2    999        Himarc Racing 2002 BMW M3 (GREEN)    10:36:24.638    4 laps    253    1:43.200    55    88.605 miles/h
3    633        Squadron 1992 BMW E36 (Black)    10:43:44.019    10 laps    247    1:42.727    72    89.013 miles/h
4    488        GoodHart Racing 1997 BMW E36 (Silver)    10:37:37.067    14 laps    243    1:50.980    175    82.393 miles/h
5    23        Ragged Racing 1986 chevrolet corvette (Blue)    10:40:05.422    23 laps    234    1:49.874    135    83.223 miles/h

 

 

Images will be posted up as the photographers send me links

 

 

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163        Hong North Grumpy Butt 1985 Toyota Supra (White)    10:43:12.566    18 laps    250    1:40.767    133    90.744 miles/h

There might be faster, but a few times were better than the one you listed.  I understand math is hard...

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I have some thoughts on the race weekend that have evolved after reading what some folks posted on the FB group.

 

Thanks to ChampCar for putting on the event and thanks to all the teams out there who offered up great racing. Overall we had a lot of fun. This was race weekend #5 for us and unfortunately we've been plagued with bad weather every time. Stint #1 at RA was my first-ever dry stint! Sadly I only counted 17 laps that weren't under caution in 2 hours and several of those had local cautions in place. Which brings me to some feedback...

 

I'll preface by saying that I want ChampCar to flourish and grow and I know it's a business that probably had a rough go in 2020. I'm sure it's not easy to organize these events and I doubt anybody is getting rich off of it (although if you are, hit me up, I'd love to know your secret).

 

Issues:

  1. Overcrowded
  2. Too Many Incidents
  3. (Apparently) Not Identifying/Punishing Rule-Breakers
  4. Didn't call the race early enough

Too many cars!

In my opinion there should be a more aggressive limit to the number of entries based on track length and available pit space. We could barely jam all the cars into pit lane for the start. During multiple pit stops we had cars partially in our space. At one point my team decided to keep me out instead of pitting because there was a random car who used our spot (presumably because somebody else used theirs).

 

More importantly, I think the on-track mayhem (anybody have an incident count? I'm certain it was high double-digits) was largely correlated to this. At one point I watched two rows of cars going 4-wide down the hill onto the front straight. Fun to watch, not fun if you're in the middle of that pack and this is your first race / first time at Road Atlanta.

 

Let's pretend we held a race with two cars. The racing would be dull beyond belief, but if there was an incident of any kind it would be easy to identify the cause and to deal with it. On the other end of the spectrum, if we put a thousand cars in the race, it would be guaranteed absolute carnage and the officials would never be able to police it. The answer is to find a sweet spot based on the following:

  1. Can all the cars fit in the pits?
  2. Can the officials effectively track the entire race and catch rule-breakers?

Maybe there's some formula for cars per mile of racetrack? In my opinion, that number was too high on Saturday.

 

When I saw on the other thread that the original entry limit had been extended and we had 96 entries, I knew it was a recipe for disaster. I hope I'm wrong, but the only reason I can see for doing this is to put more cash in ChampCar's pockets at the expense of everybody who signed up early. I imagine ChampCar's expenses are fixed per weekend, so more entry fees are just gravy.

 

Too Many Incidents!

There were cars going off left, right, and center. There were cars hitting other cars, cars spinning in front of me, cars going into the wall in front of me, cars going ONTO the wall... take your pick.

 

This is not OK. I need to be able to tell my wife with a straight face that that while this sport is inherently dangerous, there are adequate safety precautions put in. I would have a hard time doing that after Saturday.

 

Why was all that happening?

  • People driving beyond their limits
  • Ultra-aggressive racing by teams who are willing to elbow slower cars out of the way so they don't lose time
  • Super slow cars forcing other cars off the racing line, leading inexperienced drivers to make mistakes
  • Other stuff I'm probably not aware of

I don't know how to solve all this stuff but there would have been LESS of it if there were less cars on track and if the a-holes were being black flagged.

 

No Police!

There is the now-infamous incident where the Brew Krewe BMW driver passed under yellow before the race start, rear-ended the blue Camaro (sending the Camaro and a Nissan into the wall), then proceeded to pass under waving yellow on the following lap, buzzing the emergency vehicles in the process. With NO REPERCUSSIONS.

 

Look, I'm not perfect, and I still consider myself a novice at this sport, but come on.

 

I personally got passed under yellow multiple times. And thanks to the Brew Crewe d-bag driver, I lost 45 minutes of my first-ever dry stint when they black-flagged the event to yell at me. I'm a dad, and I can tell you that if I'm punishing all three of my kids at once, it's usually because somebody committed a big crime and I don't know who did it.

 

From what I could see, there was a single corner worker at turn 10, and he was incredibly slow on the draw when it came to flags. He always had the yellow out for at least five seconds when my team was yelling "GREEN GREEN GREEN" on the radio. But there were multiple times I drive by and there was no flag out when a car was sitting in the gravel behind him. Why was he the only one in the flag stand??

 

The sociopaths out there who are trying to do nothing but win the race and see all of the other car as obstacles in their path are never going to learn to behave themselves unless ChampCar stops SAYING they are going to hand out penalties and starts doing it CONSISTENTLY. I would also love to know that long-term bans are being handed out for people who are clearly at fault for car-on-car contact and/or repeat violations of flag rules.

 

Call the race already!

I remember heading down the back straight in the dark at Road Atlanta last year, completely unable to see anything due to fog and getting passed at incredible speed by somebody who was willing to let Jesus take the wheel. As much as I wanted to finish the race, I radioed the team and we called it early.

 

Same crap, different flavor this year. There is a ton of snow and sleet coming down, visibility is terrible, and there's no grip on the track, but ChampCar waits another hour to call it, forcing us to make the decision on our own to get out while we still can.

 

I get that we all paid for a 14-hour race, but I think we also understand that sometimes conditions get too bad and are not going to get better. Some of the teams that stuck it out to the end could barely get out of the paddock because of all the ice.

 

IN CONCLUSION

To sum it up, I would love to see the following:

  1. Limit the number of entries to what a track/pit can sustain. Otherwise you're making everybody's experience worse by jamming more cars out there. Putting 100 cars on a 2.5 mile track is nothing to brag about (I know only 84 cars actually made it to the race).
  2. Staff the corner stations adequately so that offenders can be identified and reported more often than not.
  3. Black flag cars that pass under yellow, contact other cars, spin, go off track (see above).
  4. Give long-term bans to drivers who commit the worst offenses. We don't need them in this sport.
  5. Put safety first when it comes to calling a race due to bad conditions. I get that in the past you've gotten lucky at Road Atlanta, but this is two years in a row with snow and we need to remember that the safety of the drivers is at stake.

 

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Moved over from the other thread...

JAS #80 Mini Cooper S

 

We rolled in Thursday PM. 6th in line. Got tech and came back on Friday AM. We had one driver new to team to filter through some laps and test a few items. Mostly smooth minus found a small issue that we were able to resolve during the test day. We then parked the car and watched what only can be called shenanigans in the last test session. The quantity of passing under yelling and racing under the waving yellow into turn one was really something to behold. And then the one car turning another... geez.

Anyways we parked the car after final prep. Ate some tacos and waited for the morning of. We loaded up our starting driver with fingers crossed. Opening stint went well we took the green around 40th overall and pitted from 5th after a full stint. We were fighting in class with a Miata at the time. 2nd driver left pits in P29 and drove a clean and quick stint. He moved up into the teens position wise and ended up fighting multiple cars for position over many laps with a lot of back/forth. He eventually came in just inside the top 10 in P8. 3rd stint driver left in P21. This was our overall fastest stint and pitted inside the top 5. P4. I jumped in and left in P10. I had what was my best overall stint since starting in ChampCar almost 10 years ago. Battled with the front runners and made up a few spots eventually pitted from P3.

Next driver goes in and leaves in P5. Uneventful overall stint as we monitored weather. We turned clean laps on pace until it was Justin's first turn on the day! Luckily for him it was another rain stint which is all he has really seen so far in the Mini! I was manning the radio at turn one his entire stint. Was really excited for him as the conditions worsened he was turning quick laps moving from P5 to P3 quickly in his stint. Lap times were looking great! He rode out his entire stint in the wet and we handed it back over to our 2nd stint driver. He joined us for this race from Chicago and was super stoked to go out in the snow. He drove exceptionally well during the weather as it got worse and worse. Stuck it out at Turn 1 to monitor. Obviously it went double yellow to red. We parked him and waiting...

And our first class win and first overall podium result. Awesome weekend! Can't wait for Daytona!

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55 minutes ago, JoshVV said:

IN CONCLUSION

To sum it up, I would love to see the following:

  1. Limit the number of entries to what a track/pit can sustain. Otherwise you're making everybody's experience worse by jamming more cars out there. Putting 100 cars on a 2.5 mile track is nothing to brag about (I know only 84 cars actually made it to the race).
  2. Staff the corner stations adequately so that offenders can be identified and reported more often than not.
  3. Black flag cars that pass under yellow, contact other cars, spin, go off track (see above).
  4. Give long-term bans to drivers who commit the worst offenses. We don't need them in this sport.
  5. Put safety first when it comes to calling a race due to bad conditions. I get that in the past you've gotten lucky at Road Atlanta, but this is two years in a row with snow and we need to remember that the safety of the drivers is at stake.

For "reasons", our team was unable to attend this race for the 3rd year in a row, but personally have only missed 2 RA events since the series inception, I was there last year and was supposed to be this year but things happen.

Saying that

I may have a answer or different perspective for a couple of these items.

 

First race of the year, must be cabin fever, lots of loony stuff going on, not defending it, just be aware.

 

1. There is a formula, it generally works well, although for the aforementioned reasons, has been manually adjusted down for this race track.

 

2.Flagging staff is provided by the track, yes the worker @ 10 often sucks, no matter, one must abide his flags in the area. This is what you should be discussing with your team as the day goes on or while switching drivers.

 

3. The black flag process is not foolproof, but does generally work, lots of stuff going on behind the scenes, sometimes it takes 15 min, sometimes a hour but the flag does usually get thrown at some point. Have you visited timing and scoring during a race, it is something I recommend.

 

4. Long term bans, it happens, sometimes a team is ordered to change drivers, other times wrist bands get yanked, in the past, entire teams have been asked not to return. a few years ago there was a few teams that made it hell for many, they have been dealt with.

 

5. Calling the race, tough but happens often enough, racers want to race, the last thing staff wants is people hurt, a line does get drawn.

 

55 minutes ago, JoshVV said:

We could barely jam all the cars into pit lane for the start. During multiple pit stops we had cars partially in our space. At one point my team decided to keep me out instead of pitting because there was a random car who used our spot (presumably because somebody else used theirs).

Think of it as part of strategy, while setting up, scope out your pit mates, are they there for fun or to win?

Communicate to other teams around you when you will be pitting, remind those same folks that your car is trying for position/win or be prepared to defend your "turf" by waving a unexpected car to stop earlier or later if your driver is about to pit.

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As to quantity of cars there is a reality here and it is dollars and cents. Pit Lane supports ~35-40 cars. That is what a pro race will have on the support side. At 40 cars and current entries fees I would wager it is not sustainable. Or you would see 2-4x entry fee cost. How many people lose interest there?

As to the incidents the 'too many cars' is fixed by penalizing cars/drivers more effectively. If people know penalties are coming driving will be changed. This would be helped by doubling up the corner workers likely. I know it is singles for the most part but I am sure 80 entries would be OK being charged 50/ea extra to double up the corner workers.

Alternatively I believe a different rule structure in the first 30min to 1hr that has harsher penalties could curb this. You pass under yellow first 10min? That's a 10min penalty. The race starts are always crazy at many races and I think this might be good to curb that. 

I do agree the race should have been called earlier. Knowing what happened last year it was the better choice to make. It was clear visibility was bad. Most cars on track are now on worn high performance summer only tires. Our driver said once the temp started dropping traction fell off a cliff. Knowing stuff like this could go into making a decision. If we all had all-season or snow tires knowing it was going to snow, had been forced to stop to change, it would be one thing. We wanted to finish the whole race too but at some point it's not worth it.

We of course will be back! We do love the series!

 

*Update - Rich told me I was wrong and most stations had 2 people. So that is good.

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This race officially kicked off our 5th year as a team and the second season in the "Mean Green Swine". A 12th overall finish and 6th in class feels pretty good given the fact that we were breaking in a new crew member while our usual crew (Bill and Bernie) both missed the race. We had a chance at a top-10, but racing giveth, and racing taketh away.

 

We missed the last 2 Road Atlanta races due to our ongoing Barber "Sunday" curse where we break hard to replace or source things. So this year we chose to skip Barber - our home track - so we would be in good shape for Road Atlanta (our alternate home track, I guess). We had a great finish to Sebring and felt we had made good adjustments to the car last year to put us in a pretty competitive state going into this year.

 

We always know that the first race of the season is going to be a scrum. New teams, new builds, maybe a little cabin fever - all these factors usually lead to some early-race shenanigans. This race was no exception. So it was somewhat of a blessing that we started out toward the end of the pack, so we could let all the nonsense sort itself out early on. That said, yeah, it was a bit of a shock the amount of aggro driving in the first 30 minutes of a 14 hr race. C'mon folks - it's a marathon not a sprint ... to finish first you must first finish, etc etc etc.

 

The car was in great shape coming out of our 13th place finish at Sebring - only thing we really needed to change was oil and brake fluid. We worked with a new tire setup and were pretty pleased with the results early on, so have data to inform on Daytona now. 

 

After climbing as far as 6th overall and 3rd in C class, we gambled a bit on our tire change strategy and lost - coming in halfway through a stint to change all 4 to our tried and true RS4s ahead of the (rain/sleet/snow/ice/fog/frogs/locusts...whatever) instead of waiting until the next driver change. We rolled back up to 10th with about 4 hrs to go but had a wiper failure (and at that point, I think it's fair to say that wipers were kinda important to the race overall) that cause us two quick pits, but ultimately caused us to fall back to 12th, where we stayed until the race was called. 

 

A huge shout out to Thr3ve, Cone Crushers, Battle Wagon and Flyin' Moose for being awesome pit mates and pit neighbors and for helping us out when we were shorthanded on driver changes and re-fuelings. 

 

On to Daytona ... and no snow!!

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45 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said:

3. The black flag process is not foolproof, but does generally work, lots of stuff going on behind the scenes, sometimes it takes 15 min, sometimes a hour but the flag does usually get thrown at some point. Have you visited timing and scoring during a race, it is something I recommend.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have not done that, that is good advice.

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44 minutes ago, riche30 said:

I can confirm I saw two corner workers at station 10a when I was shooting from that location for some quick photos.

 

Good to know. I guess there is a version of events where all the passing under yellow was reported by the corner workers and penalties were handed out to teams without everyone else being aware of it. I suspect that's not the case, but I don't have data to say for sure.

 

During the come to Jesus meeting, the official said something along the lines of "we've gotten so many reports of passing under yellow we had to stop counting" or something along those lines. I know my take-away was a feeling that the officials had given up on even trying to enforce the rules, but I may have had it wrong.

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1 hour ago, Team Infiniti said:

Think of it as part of strategy, while setting up, scope out your pit mates, are they there for fun or to win?

Communicate to other teams around you when you will be pitting, remind those same folks that your car is trying for position/win or be prepared to defend your "turf" by waving a unexpected car to stop earlier or later if your driver is about to pit.

We do this just about every race if we are sharing a pit stall with another team.  Just talk to your neighbors and see where else you can pit when needed.

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To the drivers in the YELLOW and WHITE Mustang and RED Convertible RX7 - During the 12-2pm and 4-6pm stints - YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.  I was the driver in the RBANK CRX and I witnessed some of the best car control and respectful driving since entering my first race in 2011!  It's rare that you have the opportunity two race door to door over long periods of time with any one car but the three of us were hooked nose to tail for quite a while.  I trusted what line you would take when you were ahead of me and I trusted you weren't going to take me out when you were behind me.  That goes double in the RAIN!  

If either of you have video of those stints PLEASE SHARE!  

Until next race, 

ASenna

 

 

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First Congratulations to Cone Crushers, RBank, and all the other trophy winners.  

Thank you to Champcar and all the staff who worked through cold rain and snow.

 

The Hong Norrth Supra had an uneventful test day which should have been an omen. During the race the car was fast when it was running but we had a few electrical problems that took us off track for 20 laps. I had a great 20 minute battle with Cone Crushers before the rain - it was some of the most fun and respectful driving I've done in a long time. Video will be posted soon. After all of the problems we climbed back into the top 20 and 3rd in class, a testament to my team who drove well and helped with every necessary repair. 

 

After driving in several of these RA races we have come to expect the carnage as new teams, new drivers and other factors contribute to the "first-hour chaos". I put my most experienced driver in the car at 8am and know that they will be watching 360 degrees at all times for the idiocy we know is coming. Beyond the advice above I have no idea how to fix the pit stop situation. When my "low fuel" light comes on we have no choice but to enter pit lane, that's why I asked in the Event thread if fueling side-by-side would be allowed. 

 

Some of the other issues exist because a race like this is a large undertaking with a lot going on behind the scenes. Most teams never know 90% of the crap that happens during a race, and I think that the Champ staff does a pretty good job keeping it as organized as possible. 

 

Kudos to the EV drivers - I'll bet they turned more laps than a few car this weekend. 

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7 minutes ago, ASenna said:

To the drivers in the YELLOW and WHITE Mustang and RED Convertible RX7 - During the 12-2pm and 4-6pm stints - YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.  I was the driver in the RBANK CRX and I witnessed some of the best car control and respectful driving since entering my first race in 2011!  It's rare that you have the opportunity two race door to door over long periods of time with any one car but the three of us were hooked nose to tail for quite a while.  I trusted what line you would take when you were ahead of me and I trusted you weren't going to take me out when you were behind me.  That goes double in the RAIN!  

If either of you have video of those stints PLEASE SHARE!  

Until next race, 

ASenna

 

 


I was driving the red rx7 12-2 stint. So much fun! Meant to come find you and the mustang driver and shake your hands. I should have video of it, but haven’t gone through it yet. My dad was driving the 4-6 stint, and he’s a great driver as well. Our renters however had some mishaps. 
 

Will keep you posted on vids, but thanks again for the great times on the track!

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46 minutes ago, JoshVV said:

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I have not done that, that is good advice.

Due to the Rona, Race Control was closed to visitors so that was not an option at this race. Like all of auto racing, race control is often hours of boredom intersperced with moments of sheer terror.

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46 minutes ago, JoshVV said:

 

Good to know. I guess there is a version of events where all the passing under yellow was reported by the corner workers and penalties were handed out to teams without everyone else being aware of it. I suspect that's not the case, but I don't have data to say for sure.

 

During the come to Jesus meeting, the official said something along the lines of "we've gotten so many reports of passing under yellow we had to stop counting" or something along those lines. I know my take-away was a feeling that the officials had given up on even trying to enforce the rules, but I may have had it wrong.

Nothing could be further from the truth. They NEVER give up on rule enforcement.

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As a Board member let me address the "crowded" conditions.  We set a rule like 10 years ago as an org-no more than 37.5 cars per mile.  Doing the math for RA, that's 95 cars.  I don't think we had over that so that is within our guidelines.  It might have seemed crowded at time but maybe that's a reflection of being in a pack plus the weather.  

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24 minutes ago, Jer said:

As a Board member let me address the "crowded" conditions.  We set a rule like 10 years ago as an org-no more than 37.5 cars per mile.  Doing the math for RA, that's 95 cars.  I don't think we had over that so that is within our guidelines.  It might have seenn crowded at time but maybe that's a reflection of being in a pack plus the weather.  

 

The parts that felt overly crowded were the pit stops - we knew the guys next to us but there were still situations where there simply wasn't enough room. If that's just part of the experience I'm not going to boycott because of it :)

 

My opinion is that with all of the other factors combined (new drivers, idiots, hot-heads, what-have-yous) having that many cars on track at once is going to increase the incident factor. I'm not saying it wasn't a lot of fun - it was - but I was shocked by how many cars I saw spinning and going off. I'm not just talking about seeing cars that went off earlier and hadn't been recovered yet - I'm saying watched them fly into a wall or spin right in front of me. And that was during the dry first stint. My 4pm-6pm stint which was all rain still had a lot of people going off but it seemed less crazy, except for the Fiesta that somehow managed to get his ass over the wall with his nose on the ground on the right side of the esses.

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29 minutes ago, Jer said:

As a Board member let me address the "crowded" conditions.  We set a rule like 10 years ago as an org-no more than 37.5 cars per mile.  Doing the math for RA, that's 95 cars.  I don't think we had over that so that is within our guidelines.  It might have seemed crowded at time but maybe that's a reflection of being in a pack plus the weather.  

We had no issues with the car count, the pits were a bit crowded at times but we just worked with our neighbors to make it as smooth as possible.

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21 minutes ago, Jer said:

As a Board member let me address the "crowded" conditions.  We set a rule like 10 years ago as an org-no more than 37.5 cars per mile.  Doing the math for RA, that's 95 cars.  I don't think we had over that so that is within our guidelines.  It might have seenn crowded at time but maybe that's a reflection of being in a pack plus the weather.  

10 years ago we used to spread the cars out all around the track and randomly choose one to get the flag too, which spread the cars out more at the start to reduce the crowding effect in the early going.  I'm fine with the current rules, just saying things are a bit different these days which create more traffic in the early going.  Also I think the attrition rate is lower than it was even 5 years back so more cars on track for longer means more traffic overall.

 

For the teams that are regulars, if you want to avoid the mayhem, try starting at the back.  Should give you some time for people to settle down before they get to you and also they will be spread out. 

1 hour ago, JoshVV said:

 

During the come to Jesus meeting, the official said something along the lines of "we've gotten so many reports of passing under yellow we had to stop counting" or something along those lines. I know my take-away was a feeling that the officials had given up on even trying to enforce the rules, but I may have had it wrong.

I have attended one of these meetings in the past, and this past weekend was not the second time this happened.  I'd seen the carnage on the track when it happened to me, and my takeaway that race was that there were so many infractions they didn't catch (above those they did) that everyone needed to be told.  Unfortunately it cuts into track time :(

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Jer said:

As a Board member let me address the "crowded" conditions.  We set a rule like 10 years ago as an org-no more than 37.5 cars per mile.  Doing the math for RA, that's 95 cars.  I don't think we had over that so that is within our guidelines.  It might have seemed crowded at time but maybe that's a reflection of being in a pack plus the weather.  

After the first few hours it was OK on track but really ugly in the pits.  We got lucky as the third team in our pit stall didn't show up for the race.  Two teams in 20' is tight, 3 is just ugly.  Three cars in the pits at one time under a full course caution gets really ugly and kind of dangerous. 20', 3 cars at an average of 13', leaves no room to get in and out without putting the pit crew in harms way.

 

Anyway, there might be a need for a rule that says a minimum of 10' of pit area for a team to add to the 37.5 cars per mile.

 

Wonder what the odds are for 2 snow races at RA in 2 years.  

 

Odds are we will figure out if it can snow three years in a row at RA.  Its a fun track.

 

Thanks for all the hard work.

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