hotchkis23 Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 To all nominees, what is your stance on the current perk that board members are guaranteed 5 free events? As hard as I could, I could not find this written into the rule set? Do you as a prospective member feel that this is acceptable to essentially "pay" board members $10k a year in free entry fees for "volunteering" to be pm the bod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said: To all nominees, what is your stance on the current perk that board members are guaranteed 5 free events? As hard as I could, I could not find this written into the rule set? Do you as a prospective member feel that this is acceptable to essentially "pay" board members $10k a year in free entry fees for "volunteering" to be pm the bod? I have not heard of this. Are you sure about this. Seems there should be something in black and white for the members to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) IF true it’s a waste of funds, I’m running with no expectation of such lucrative pay I have heard that some employees get some free entries which must be part of the compensation package, and that makes sense to me. But Board are not employees so it wouldn’t surprise me if your info is inaccurate. Beyond that, I prefer not to speculate or comment when I’m ill informed. Edited November 14, 2021 by enginerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 How many races are sellouts and how many of those have we had BoD members races in? Have they not allowed a team to race that would have paid? Not very many if any at all. Free entries costs the series nothing and whether the BoD gets 5 entries that’s not taking from the bottom line like if we had to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchkis23 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 hours ago, hotrod said: I have not heard of this. Are you sure about this. Seems there should be something in black and white for the members to see. I am sure of it. I agree it would be nice if it was in the black and white... 2 hours ago, enginerd said: IF true it’s a waste of funds, I’m running with no expectation of such lucrative pay I have heard that some employees get some free entries which must be part of the compensation package, and that makes sense to me. But Board are not employees so it wouldn’t surprise me if your info is inaccurate. Beyond that, I prefer not to speculate or comment when I’m ill informed. I can say with 100% confidence that we have had an entry or two paid with board members "fees" instead of rental costs.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchkis23 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, jakks said: How many races are sellouts and how many of those have we had BoD members races in? Have they not allowed a team to race that would have paid? Not very many if any at all. Free entries costs the series nothing and whether the BoD gets 5 entries that’s not taking from the bottom line like if we had to pay them. Are you sure that you have taken any type of economics studies? Giving away free entrances into events, whether sold out or not, do in fact effect the bottom line. figure 7 BOD slotsx5 events each, that equals 35 race entries at ~$2K each so ~$70k for revenue.... come on man....That is a lot of money for the series that may make entry fees for the common racer a bit less.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchkis23 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 hours ago, enginerd said: IF true it’s a waste of funds, I’m running with no expectation of such lucrative pay I have heard that some employees get some free entries which must be part of the compensation package, and that makes sense to me. But Board are not employees so it wouldn’t surprise me if your info is inaccurate. Beyond that, I prefer not to speculate or comment when I’m ill informed. Nate, I am befuddled that you were not aware of this. It is and has been real for at least the last 3 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvumtnbkr Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 I'm fine with it. These people do a metric butt ton of work for the series. This is the only perk they get. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben 594 Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 This is yet another reason petition 70 from last year should be used. If you have to give them track time on our dime... And they are writing the rules... Put them in EC. Want to race for the win? Don't join the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakks Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said: Are you sure that you have taken any type of economics studies? Giving away free entrances into events, whether sold out or not, do in fact effect the bottom line. figure 7 BOD slotsx5 events each, that equals 35 race entries at ~$2K each so ~$70k for revenue.... come on man....That is a lot of money for the series that may make entry fees for the common racer a bit less.... The BoD is not paid a salary nor hourly. Are they supposed to do their job for free for you to be comfortable with it? Also, if your economics class had any math in it you would have obviously failed the class. No entry is $2000, in fact the highest for 2022 is $1850. With an early discount that comes out to $1650. $1650 x 5 is $8250. I did a little math. The average early entry fee for listed 2022 dates is shy of $1300. Are our BoD members not worthy of annual salary of $6500? Like I said, it's not even a salary. They can't use that "cash" any where else. I think you're barking up the wrong tree. Edited November 15, 2021 by jakks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck Posted November 15, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 More news to me. I have heard of free races for staff and board but never heard the number of 5, nor have I ever had one. Although I considered it part of the pay package when I took the job as it helped me make some sense of changing my life to do this. Did not consider it in anyway when running for the board but I do feel the BOD members need some sort of compensation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchkis23 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, jakks said: The BoD is not paid a salary nor hourly. Are they supposed to do their job for free for you to be comfortable with it? Also, if your economics class had any math in it you would have obviously failed the class. No entry is $2000, in fact the highest for 2022 is $1850. With an early discount that comes out to $1650. $1650 x 5 is $8250. I did a little math. The average early entry fee for listed 2022 dates is shy of $1300. Are our BoD members not worthy of annual salary of $6500? Like I said, it's not even a salary. They can't use that "cash" any where else. I think you're barking up the wrong tree. So you didn't look at Cota or Indy I take it? That's cool, in all reality I may have inflated $$ a bit, but regardless, the holier than though position that some have taken is a bit much... This is a membership, non profit organization last I checked, and I am only asking what a benefit that is being allowed behind the scenes that I not necessarily been made official in the stated rules.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchkis23 Posted November 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Ray Franck said: More news to me. I have heard of free races for staff and board but never heard the number of 5, nor have I ever had one. Although I considered it part of the pay package when I took the job as it helped me make some sense of changing my life to do this. Did not consider it in anyway when running for the board but I do feel the BOD members need some sort of compensation Ray, why do you feel the BOD deserves compensation? I don't care either way, but am interested into why those that "volunteer" to serve our non profit organization deserve to be compensated? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technical Advisory Committee Ray Franck Posted November 15, 2021 Technical Advisory Committee Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, hotchkis23 said: Ray, why do you feel the BOD deserves compensation? I don't care either way, but am interested into why those that "volunteer" to serve our non profit organization deserve to be compensated? How much work, heart, caring, time , or effort would you, or anyone give for free ? In this day and time volunteering is out of favor period, check your fire departments, rescue squads, little leagues, churches you name it all are short and hurting I know it I live it. And we do not need bodies we need knowledgeable talented people to guide the club. Some may feel that they come for free I do not, just a difference of opinion I reckon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 8 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: Ray, why do you feel the BOD deserves compensation? I don't care either way, but am interested into why those that "volunteer" to serve our non profit organization deserve to be compensated? The club also gives Champcar credit for teams that volunteer to work at races - what is the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 8 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: Ray, why do you feel the BOD deserves compensation? I don't care either way, but am interested into why those that "volunteer" to serve our non profit organization deserve to be compensated? https://champcar.org/web/volunteer.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankrehnelt Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) I’d heard of comp’ed races (did not know a number) but that’s not why I decided to run. I thought I could help the series by being on the board. When I told my wife I was running her immediate response was why and are you going to get paid. If she knew I was taking on more work for “10k” she’d be mad. She actually likes having me around. People that know me know I’m not impressed by money. I treat the rich guys on my team the same (they’d say worse) as my poor college student pit monkeys. I will say I like the three dudes in lawn chairs on pit road more than the 500k setups. I just want more of each showing up to have fun with us. Should we know what people are getting “paid”. Of course. Just don’t tell my wife. Edited November 15, 2021 by frankrehnelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grufton Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 59 minutes ago, jim161c said: The club also gives Champcar credit for teams that volunteer to work at races - what is the difference? The difference is the details on the free races aren't openly shared with the membership (as far as I know). I have zero problem with reasonable perks for the board, let's just be open about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDChristianson Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 The real point, it seems to me, is that this has not been public knowledge. This is the sort of thing that the membership should know about. Is it ok for the BOD to get some reward for their efforts? I would say yes that's ok. Does this sort of thing make one wonder what else we might not know about? Maybe. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEE DEE Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: I am sure of it. I agree it would be nice if it was in the black and white... I can say with 100% confidence that we have had an entry or two paid with board members "fees" instead of rental costs.... You didn't seem to have a problem with accepting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEE DEE Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: Nate, I am befuddled that you were not aware of this. It is and has been real for at least the last 3 years... Why bring it up now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 13 hours ago, jakks said: The BoD is not paid a salary nor hourly. Are they supposed to do their job for free for you to be comfortable with it? Yes. It's never been described as a job. I will (or I guess was going to) if elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted November 15, 2021 Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: Nate, I am befuddled that you were not aware of this. It is and has been real for at least the last 3 years... Guess my head has been in the sand. Paulie Veltum drove with us a couple times and comped entry as his payment to race with us. Obviously he runs the fantastic ChampCar live broadcast and free races is part of the compensation for that. Board seat has always been described as a voluntary post (and I assumed without compensation) so I did not think this deal applied to them. Edited November 15, 2021 by enginerd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riche30 Posted November 15, 2021 Members Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 17 hours ago, hotchkis23 said: To all nominees, what is your stance on the current perk that board members are guaranteed 5 free events? As hard as I could, I could not find this written into the rule set? Do you as a prospective member feel that this is acceptable to essentially "pay" board members $10k a year in free entry fees for "volunteering" to be pm the bod? It's not in black and white because its a perk. It's not a rule. And it changes yearly. And for the economics guru it only affects the bottom line at races that are sold out. Adding a free entry to a non-sellout doesn't take a spot from or result in lost money. At non-sellout events its often in the series' best interest to promote car counts with discounts or perks. The board members put a ton of time and effort into the series with no real benefit other than the occasional free entry. If that helps us as an organization attract better candidates then I'm all for adding perks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members riche30 Posted November 15, 2021 Members Report Share Posted November 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, enginerd said: Guess my head has been in the sand. Paulie Veltum drove with us a couple times and comped entry as his payment to race with us. Obviously he runs the fantastic ChampCar live broadcast and free races is part of the compensation for that. Board seat has always been described as a voluntary post (and I assumed without compensation) so I did not think this deal applied to them. My recollection is fuzzy at best but I think the rule we used in 2019 and 2020 was that the BoD were allowed entry into 3 premier events (Road Atlanta, Watkins, Daytona, etc) and 2 entries into non-sellout events. Jer or Tyler might remember better or could tell you what we're currently doing. BoD members have been getting some form of free entry since the John Condren days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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