Administrators Bill Strong Posted December 20, 2021 Administrators Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Final results - Saturday and Sunday https://speedhive.mylaps.com/Events/1943184 Event images - https://www.motorimages.com 11,000 images! https://www.motorimages.com/2021/CHAMP-CAR-ENDURANCE-SERIES/CHAMPCAR-SEBRIING-DECEMBER-18-19 ChampCar.live Saturday - Sunday - Alarm.com South Eastern Championship Winner: Six Bangers 2004 Bmw 330ci 2021 CCES iRacing 1500 in race credits winner - Keith Carlson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indysupra Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Congrats to GBU on the double win! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitham32803 Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Congratulations to GBU. That was both an impressive car and driving, they make it look so easy. from looking at the results on Saturday the D class had an impressive showing (for years only one or two would have any marginal success). They places 4 in the top 10 (1st, 4th, 5th, 6th). As always we have a good time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispykritter Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) Our weekend was simply a cluster….fluff. Friday’s practice went perfectly well for us. Everyone on the team got a chance to drive the car during practice and get back into the swing of racing, ish. The extra power was awesome to feel, and the suspension is extremely well sorted. The contour is a pleasure to drive. Towards the end of the day, I went out on our old gforce comp2’s and ran a 2:49.xxx lap. Between sessions, we swapped on our Falken Azenis, and I went back out and ran a 2:43.xxx – so our tire swap was worth around 6 seconds a lap! Saturday morning, I decided to start the race. As soon as the green flag dropped, it was apparent the contour was in very competitive form, finally! Unfortunately, I had a relatively good view of the contact between the Floridiots porsche and what looked like an FB RX-7. I’ll post the video later. Also unfortunately, I was one of the idiots that passed under yellow. It was 100% my fault – I missed the flag station waving the yellow...hell, nearly all of us did. Not a proud moment =( Once the initial incidents were cleared off track, we got back to racing with the car laying down excellent lap times...right up until the clutch started slipping. We made major changes to the car since CMP, and one of our upgrades was a new Luk clutch and pressure plate, and a Fidanza flywheel. We’re not entirely sure why, but as the clutch and flywheel heated up, the clutch started slipping. Sadly, this problem did not show up during either practice or any of the dyno runs we did before the race. Crappy luck. After bleeding the clutch and trying to solve the issue, we finally parked it and started looking for parts. Lakeland had an OEM steel flywheel and a ‘powertorque’ brand clutch set, so one team member jumped into my M3 and headed to Lakeland, while the rest of us set about doing a clutch swap on a FWD V6 in a garage at Sebring. By the time Sean returned with the parts, we had the front subframe out of the car and the driveline disassembled. It took us until 830 pm, but we got the car fully reassembled and ready to go for Sunday. Sunday started off with Bob setting his best ever lap by about 5 seconds, with no sign of clutch issues. Ray followed, taking second stint. Ray radioed in that the steering felt heavy, but didn’t really complain, so we never brought him in. We swapped Sean in for third stint, who immediately called back that the steering was effed. We brought him in, and sure enough, the reservoir was empty. We added some fluid, and all hell broke loose – amazing smoke show! I grabbed a fire extinguisher just as the track safety guys were going by, but fortunately, it didn’t catch fire. The pump was nearly completely disintegrated. Nothing closer than Lakeland had a pump for us. We had a used spare that we spent two hours attempting to get working, but all in vain. About 230 pm we gave up, and then sat around for 30 minutes mostly feeling sorry for ourselves. Nothing to do but pack up and plan better for next race. The car was epically faster after the engine swap and very competitive, so not a complete waste, but a very expensive, disappointing test weekend for us, in terms of money, time, effort, and bruises. Apologies to the safety crews and Champcar’s staff for being one of the boneheads on Saturday. I have no excuse. I'll do better next time. Congrats to GBU on the wins, and thanks for the help pushing our car into the garage and for the hot dogs! See you all at Daytona. Edited December 21, 2021 by krispykritter 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispykritter Posted December 20, 2021 Report Share Posted December 20, 2021 Our power steering scariness. Quote of the race: "Is it on fire?" "Not...yet..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) Long story short, we were in 2nd for most of the Sat race. Chuck got a black flag and then I go out and start working on getting us back in to 2nd. I was putting 3.2 s/lap on Sahleen while conserving fuel when our 1-year old OEM fuel pump failed. For the second time. Need to figure out how to reliably run very low fuel levels. Maybe an external pump + surge tank is the solution, or just PWM control of the factory pump. On Sunday we could have won as long as we ran a clean race, but Chuck hit Jacky Ickx in T16 on lap 4 Our worst weekend ever. We had nothing for GB&U, which is fine because we brought a momentum car to Sebring. My ideal lap was a 2:30.75, always conserving in a few corners. If we had a practice day without traffic and plenty of time to analyze data maybe we could do a 2:29, but GB&U clicked off a 2:28.9 during the race. No way no how are we doing that. I think we'll have something for them at Ozark's. Bill said he'd be there and I'm really looking forward to it. I don't think GB&U is an overdog, at least as it's currently being operated. We know an SC300 on excessively soft suspension and RS4s can run 2:33. Add GYSC3s (what GB&U was running) with revalved shocks and stiffer springs, and I bet 2:30 or better is possible with longer fuel stints. Edited December 21, 2021 by Grant 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Curious, was "TLM / Marathon Coach 2000 BMW 325I" a regular BMW? Or some crazy chopped up loop hole car? Also did a pickup truck make it to impound? That is fantastic. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispykritter Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 The first lap incident with Floridiots and I don't know who else occurred around 1 min 50 seconds: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachMK21 Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) I was watching the StarT stream on Saturday and they also had a good view of the lap 1 incident. The run from turn 17 to this point and even the next lap were pretty crazy. I also noticed some conflicting Flagtronics/flagging/AMR vehicle stuff into turn 7 on lap 2. Edited December 21, 2021 by CoachMK21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 No Boost - the car seems to pull real strong off the turns with the new engine. Moving towards the pointy end of the field with the new speed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krispykritter Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, CoachMK21 said: I was watching the StarT stream on Saturday and they also had a good view of the lap 1 incident. The run from turn 17 to this point and even the next lap were pretty crazy. I also noticed some conflicting Flagtronics/flagging/AMR vehicle stuff into turn 7 on lap 2. Wow yeah that was a front row seat to that incident. Extremely boneheaded move from the mazda....zero situational awareness. 34 minutes ago, jim161c said: No Boost - the car seems to pull real strong off the turns with the new engine. Moving towards the pointy end of the field with the new speed. Definitely a big difference with the extra torque this engine makes. Sadly (or happily?), all the issues we had were unrelated to the 3L itself! The engine was flawless but we had two other new failures. Every race day is unique. We'll bulletproof more stuff and see how we do at daytona! I think we could probably get to around 2:40 with our current setup at sebring, but we'll keep polishing and seeing how far we can take this thing. Edited December 21, 2021 by krispykritter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, turbogrill said: Curious, was "TLM / Marathon Coach 2000 BMW 325I" a regular BMW? Or some crazy chopped up loop hole car? Didn't look chopped up from the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwilding Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, turbogrill said: Curious, was "TLM / Marathon Coach 2000 BMW 325I" a regular BMW? Or some crazy chopped up loop hole car? Also did a pickup truck make it to impound? That is fantastic. The Marathon BMW looks pretty stock to be honest, Dave Tuaty (the owner of TLM) says it's pretty stock as well, but I'm not sure how the points are added up on it. It's a well driven car and well run team so they are always up at the sharp end of the field in the FL races when we race them. Edited December 21, 2021 by johnwilding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 56 minutes ago, johnwilding said: The Marathon BMW looks pretty stock to be honest, Dave Tuaty (the owner of TLM) says it's pretty stock as well, but I'm not sure how the points are added up on it. It's a well driven car and well run team so they are always up at the sharp end of the field in the FL races when we race them. Got it! Maybe proof that the build/team/driver is more important than the VPI. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwilding Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 42 minutes ago, turbogrill said: Got it! Maybe proof that the build/team/driver is more important than the VPI. That's been working for our little team lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 TLM was bumped from the podium on Sunday. Any news as to why? Beautiful build that is well piloted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, jim161c said: TLM was bumped from the podium on Sunday. Any news as to why? Beautiful build that is well piloted. Looks like they ran with no penalty laps on Saturday, but 3 on Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ABR-Glen said: Looks like they ran with no penalty laps on Saturday, but 3 on Sunday. 530 pt car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, jim161c said: 530 pt car. 11.5 seconds a lap ftd than the next quickest e36. The driver line up must be pros, those guys were flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginerd Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, jim161c said: 11.5 seconds a lap ftd than the next quickest e36. The driver line up must be pros, those guys were flying. They ran a 2:32 Other e36 Caveman 2:39 Triple R 2:38 Gorilla sticker 2:38 Also, I think 2000 325i is an e46, not e36 And a car carrying a VPI of 530 needs to be 4 seconds / lap faster than a 500 pt. car to make up the three laps in a 139 lap race, so they should have a big speed advantage. Edited December 22, 2021 by enginerd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, enginerd said: They ran a 2:32 Other e36 Caveman 2:39 Triple R 2:38 Gorilla sticker 2:38 Also, I think 2000 325i is an e46, not e36 thanks for the correction. looks like BMW made a 2000 e36 and a e46, both the same points. those guys were fast! The best looking car on the track as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABR-Glen Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 hour ago, jim161c said: 530 pt car. 500 PT car Saturday, 530 PT car Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbogrill Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 So at 530 can you make a BMW have a bunch of lower? Cams? I was thinking of getting a BMW but they seemed to slow with their high VPI. Guess I was wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Infiniti Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 5 minutes ago, ABR-Glen said: 500 PT car Saturday, 530 PT car Sunday? Post race adjustment 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim161c Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 43 minutes ago, Team Infiniti said: Post race adjustment 51 minutes ago, ABR-Glen said: 500 PT car Saturday, 530 PT car Sunday? 1 hour ago, ABR-Glen said: 500 PT car Saturday, 530 PT car Sunday? must have made major mods to the car saturday after the race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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