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This question is directed at FULL COCKPIT car drivers, not drivers of cars that are lacking glass or roofs.  
 

For those that drive a sedan with windshield, glass/lexan in the sides (where allowed) and rear, and all of the other protections of a mostly-enclosed cockpit, do you normally race with the visor up or down?   (And I am interested in your reasons)

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

 

One more thing:  if you always have it closed, please indicate whether or not you wear glasses (and if you have had fogging problems with the visor or the glasses)

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I leave it down nearly the whole time except full course yellow/35's or if i'm tryin to steal a sip of water.  1. If I'm on fire, I don't want another thing to think about.  2. If I'm unconscious and on fire, I want a better chance at surviving.  3. Also I don't want dirt in my eyes.  Sometimes it's hot, but see 1-3.

 

Bell GTX3

No issues with fogging with standard visor

No glasses

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Same as Gkuhn41, I keep the visor down because of fire risk. I have seen too many burnt helmets with melted visors and melted visor sounds a lot better than melted eyeball. 

 

That being said, I normally get to lap 3 and then my visor comes up because it's getting sweaty and uncomfortable in there. I only have so much willpower.

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11 minutes ago, macheesy said:

I leave it down nearly the whole time except full course yellow/35's or if i'm tryin to steal a sip of water.  1. If I'm on fire, I don't want another thing to think about.  2. If I'm unconscious and on fire, I want a better chance at surviving.  3. Also I don't want dirt in my eyes.  Sometimes it's hot, but see 1-3.

 

11 minutes ago, enginerd said:

Same as Gkuhn41, I keep the visor down because of fire risk. I have seen too many burnt helmets with melted visors and melted visor sounds a lot better than melted eyeball. 

 

That being said, I normally get to lap 3 and then my visor comes up because it's getting sweaty and uncomfortable in there. I only have so much willpower.

 

18 minutes ago, Gkuhn41 said:

Full Cockpit: I try to have it down most the time because fire. Or if its fall @ Road America to keep the snow out of my face. 

 

But if it is hot ill put it up and direct some air to my face. 

 

 

For the visor down crowd, what brand helmet do you have? I'm 100% visor up because of heat / sweat. I also use a $150 G-force helmet with poop air flow. But I full agree with the safety risk of visor up 100%. 

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I used to keep it kinda down, sorta cracked, sometimes up in MT2 MR2. But the first race with the Opel GT, and the 1970s design, I got hit in the nose and glasses with something. It was not green, so I know it wasn't when my teammate hit me. But after that, I have pretty much driven with the shield down. 
It took a bit to get used to it, but since then I have had no issues with it down.

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2 hours ago, MichaelPal said:

 

 

 

 

For the visor down crowd, what brand helmet do you have? I'm 100% visor up because of heat / sweat. I also use a $150 G-force helmet with poop air flow. But I full agree with the safety risk of visor up 100%. 

Michael.  It is worth noting that half of the guys that have responded run many of the up-north races where cold is the enemy more often than heat.  (I recognize the names).  It is probably easier to run visor down at Road America in April than VIR in the middle of summer. 

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4 hours ago, Racer28173 said:

Michael.  It is worth noting that half of the guys that have responded run many of the up-north races where cold is the enemy more often than heat.  (I recognize the names).  It is probably easier to run visor down at Road America in April than VIR in the middle of summer. 

I'm an up no glasses or occasionally I have worn sun glasses, visor up, though fuel stops it's always down and would fog up Abit then. Wiping potato peals on the inside does stop the fogging (an old scuba diving trick).

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Bell K1 Pro. Visor down with glasses because of a few things.  The biggest is the visor blocks the air moving to the vents in a well ventilated cockpit; that means my face got some air but the rest of my head would roast. I stay remarkably cooler with the visor down.

It's also nice to keep rocks/dirt out of your eyes. Of course fire too.

 

No fogging issues, again see the ventilated cockpit point above. 

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1 hour ago, BollingerChump said:

Bell K1 Pro. Visor down with glasses because of a few things.  The biggest is the visor blocks the air moving to the vents in a well ventilated cockpit; that means my face got some air but the rest of my head would roast. I stay remarkably cooler with the visor down.

It's also nice to keep rocks/dirt out of your eyes. Of course fire too.

 

No fogging issues, again see the ventilated cockpit point above. 

I had never contemplated the visor blocking the helmet vents- that is a good point.  I just bought a Bell M8 and the visor won’t stay up, no matter what I seem to do with the tension adjustment.  We have a modest amount of air flow in the car, so maybe down will work okay because the helmet vents will bring cool air in that otherwise would have been blocked. 
 

I think Bill is glasses-wearing guy, so his reply is supportive of success even with glasses. 

 

I have to say that I’m surprised at the number of people who have had large projectiles in their car.  I guess I have been lucky with that. 
 

 

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2 hours ago, BollingerChump said:

Bell K1 Pro. Visor down with glasses because of a few things.  The biggest is the visor blocks the air moving to the vents in a well ventilated cockpit; that means my face got some air but the rest of my head would roast. I stay remarkably cooler with the visor down.

It's also nice to keep rocks/dirt out of your eyes. Of course fire too.

 

No fogging issues, again see the ventilated cockpit point above. 

 

When you say "well ventilated cockpit" what exactly do you mean? I have a racecar with a windscreen + side + rear lexan. Is there anything else additional that should be added to create more ventilation? Is it all based around creating a positive pressure environment?

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Visor down, sunglasses during the day, clear lense on my helmet, forced air system with fan. I stay cooler even on hot days, no fogging, second thing installed after my Racetech seat. I have had rocks, rubber, and even rabbit guts come through the open visor in the past. Visor down always after a friend had a fuel fire in the cockpit from a stuck float on a carburetor. Was just a flash but burnt all the stitching on his suit. Had visor down and didn’t have any burns. 

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I run with mine up most of the time now.  I used to have forced air in my car and the ventilation worked better with it down, but changed helmets and don't have the helmet connection any longer.  Maybe something I'll look to replace. Helmet air is really nice.

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2 hours ago, TimS said:

Visor down, sunglasses during the day, clear lense on my helmet, forced air system with fan. I stay cooler even on hot days, no fogging, second thing installed after my Racetech seat. I have had rocks, rubber, and even rabbit guts come through the open visor in the past. Visor down always after a friend had a fuel fire in the cockpit from a stuck float on a carburetor. Was just a flash but burnt all the stitching on his suit. Had visor down and didn’t have any burns. 

What are you wearing for sunglasses? Finding some that will fit inside of a helmet is challenging.

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I’m using a cheap knockoff of some fancy cycling sunglasses. I have to work to get  them on but work good. 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B093QC3W12?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title#

These are the high dollar model

https://www.amazon.com/POC-Aspire-Lead-Blue-VGM/dp/B07WP5RZVL/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=poc+glasses+cycling&qid=1645619998&sr=8-3

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15 hours ago, MichaelPal said:

 

When you say "well ventilated cockpit" what exactly do you mean? I have a racecar with a windscreen + side + rear lexan. Is there anything else additional that should be added to create more ventilation? Is it all based around creating a positive pressure environment?

 We have a plenum under the OE HVAC intake passing air through a plastic downspout tube we can point at our head or torso.  At speed on track theres a helluva breeze created. When pointed at my face, there's a *notable* improvement when I close the visor and get air flowing to the rest of my head. YMMV.

We are in the process of moving the air intake, since after ventilating the hood we are taking in hot post radiator air into that plenum.  Will relocate to a scoop hanging out a window or similar.

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14 hours ago, B-Rad said:

What are you wearing for sunglasses? Finding some that will fit inside of a helmet is challenging.

Home Depot tinted safety glasses.  Or equivalent.  The lens will put up with a lot and protect your eye.  They are cheap so you don't care if they end up on the floor of the car etc and you can clip the temple piece so it fits in the helmet better.  Just file the end of it down, the plastic can be sharp if you snip it with a pair of dykes. 

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Having been at the race where Stephen Cox received burns to his face while inside a car on fire, I have since switched to helmets with forced air inlets and try to use them when possible, it removes the two temptations I have for raising the visor, cooling and fogging. 

 

https://www.sopwithmotorsports.com/five-things-wont-expect-race-car-catches-fire/

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